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07 Sep 2022, 8:46 am

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People who follow a man who believes that Italian satellites tinkered with voting machines....are an "existential threat to democracy."

Look like it's back to 75 million Americans being enemies of the state.
Where does this 75 million number comes from?
I really hope that by far not all Republican supporters are hardcore Trumpists not accepting election results.

Because otherwise... many countries in the history had tumbled towards collapse with strong popular support at the beginning. You're not fundamentally immune to it.


I changed that to 74 million. 74,223,369 Americans voted for Trump. So that would be 74 million Americans who support/follow Trump, being an existential threat to democracy.



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07 Sep 2022, 8:54 am

Are these 74 million people claiming the election invalid because they don't like the result, so power has to be retaken, screw the procedures if we don't like their results?
Because such claims, voiced by Trump and acted upon by some (!) of his supporters - are the existential threat to democracy.


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07 Sep 2022, 9:52 am

its was quite obvious Biden was not talking about all Republican voters.

I always find it interesting when someone criticises a politician for something they pretended they said. Always make me think 'why isn't criticising them for something they did actually say enough for you?'



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07 Sep 2022, 10:03 am

Would you believe a person who claims that an Italian satellite altered voting machines? I don't believe even most hard-core MAGA types would believe this----at least I hope not.

How about supposed pedophiliac orgies in the basement of a pizza place (that had no basement)?

I really doubt that 74 million people in this country would all find this credible.



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07 Sep 2022, 10:17 am

Those who are an "existential threat to democracy" are in a tiny minority of the Republican Party.

However....there are enough of them for people who have the security of the United States in mind to be very concerned.



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07 Sep 2022, 10:35 am

I think saying those who voted for Trump, are Trump supporters in any way, are not necessarily "Maga Republicans", is splitting hairs. Perhaps something that should be taken into consideration, is how many republicans felt like the President of the United States is calling them "semi-fascists" and an "existential threat to democracy". And along with them, how many independents felt like that's what was being said. I think the speech, combined with the setting, dealt a serious blow to the Democrats a couple of months before the midterms. If I were a democrat, I would have been facepalming and shaking my head during that spectacle. As it is I rolled my eyes and chuckled.



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07 Sep 2022, 10:40 am

He certainly didn't mean ALL Republicans.

He meant the fringe element who believe every bit of Trump's crap. The type who would invade the Capitol Building, and vandalize it.

There are many, many self-respecting Republicans who don't believe the Trump nonsense.



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07 Sep 2022, 10:45 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
I think saying those who voted for Trump, are Trump supporters in any way, are not necessarily "Maga Republicans", is splitting hairs.
I very much disagree - 74 million people are not a hair. AFAIK, very small fraction of those who voted for Trump also supported physically raiding the Capitol.
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Perhaps something that should be taken into consideration, is how many republicans felt like the President of the United States is calling them "semi-fascists" and an "existential threat to democracy". And along with them, how many independents felt like that's what was being said. I think the speech, combined with the setting, dealt a serious blow to the Democrats a couple of months before the midterms. If I were a democrat, I would have been facepalming and shaking my head during that spectacle. As it is I rolled my eyes and chuckled.
Biden has never been a great speaker but I think only hardcore Republicans interpret these words the way you do - and their votes are settled anyway.


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07 Sep 2022, 10:48 am

VERY hard-core Republicans.....not even most hard-core Republicans.



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It's Like This:

Some Folks Would Rather Die Than Go See The Doctor.

It's Like This:

Some Republicans Would Rather Die Than Vote Democrat,

And Sure Vice Versa Of That is A Reality As Well Now, too.

AND JESUS F IN CHRIST WHEN THE PASTOR AND OR PRIEST
SAYS VOTE REPUBLICAN YOU DO IT NOW OR GO TO HELL FOR REAL.

And Then There Are Those Those Who Switch Hit Left to Right; Right to Left;

It's Like Baseball, It's Common Sense; Perhaps Not Common Yet That Happens True.

And Finally, There Are The Undecided Who May Not Pay Much Attention at All and Just
Vote for The Tallest Most Distinguished Or Perhaps Most Attractive Looking Candidate For Leader.

True, Some Humans Are 'Truly Human' too And Seek to Vote For the LEADER With the Most Empathetic Looking Eyes;

Regardless, if they Stutter Now and Then As Remember The Lesson of the 'Alpha Male Chimp,' It's About the Leader
Who is Most Cooperative With All; The most Empathetic For the Least Among Us to Give A Furry Hand-Up And Sure

With Enough BACK BONE

To Tear Apart Psychopathic
Leaning Apes Only Selfish With
No Care For Those Who Need Help the Most;

As Let's Remember, in the Real World of Apes IT'S AN ALL HANDS SHIPMATE LIFE.
Those Who Stand Together NOW Are the Strongest and Win the 'Elections of Life.'

Biden Knows How to Play This Game and Win; He Also Knows How to Show
Strength And Backbone When Tough Circumstances Require Tough Talks too;

(Like Wearing Cool Looking 'Top Gun' Aviator Glasses At 'the Pool' Lifeguarding)

Is it an Art, Yes;

An Art of the Human
Soul to Cooperate; Not an

Art of the Deal Written By A
Frigging Ghost Author to Only Achieve Selfish Motivations.

Let's Review Biden's Accomplishments As Leader Again From
The 9 Months At the End of November 2021, to Birth These 'Marvels' of Political Cooperation Now.

1. New Infrastructure for a Country Falling Apart at the Seams; Indeed, By Nature, Very Conservative For Real...

2. (True, Before This, an Emergency Bill Passed to Send Money to Everyone to Get Out of Dire Straights of Pandemic
Needs Yet of Course that went to the Have Nots and Never Have Enoughs too, And Both Groups, Yes, Spent the Money

Making Supply Side Issues a Real Headache; Yet You Do What Ya Have to Do to Help the Least Among Us to Survive.)

3. A Bill Passed in a Bi-Partisan Fashion For At Least Some Advancement in Better Gun Control Measures to Save Lives.

4. A Bill Passed For Chip Manufacturing in the United States; Both Rational And Economic Good News.

5. A Bill Passed to Help Veterans Who Are Sick Exposed to Toxic Chemicals in Foreign Wars; That's Nice.

6. And Finally, Almost A Miracle, Enough Cooperation to Pass A Bill to Remedy Climate Change Woes;
And Additionally, Tax Credits For Folks Buying Energy Saving Cars, And Solar Panels, And the Such.

7. And Finally, Almost A Miracle, Enough Cooperation to Pass A Bill to Cap Drug Costs
for Medicare at 2,000 Dollars A Year and Negotiate Lower Drug Prices As Well FOR REAL.

8. And Finally, Almost A Miracle, YES! Enough Cooperation to Extend Health Care Subsidies
3 Years to Help 13 Million Folks Obtain Affordable Health Care for THeir Most Basic of Human Needs.

9. True, A Minimum Corporate Tax to Insure Rich Corporations That Pay Zero For Taxes, Pay 15 Percent
That Make Number 6, 7, and 8, A Reality to Both Lower Inflation Somewhat And Decrease the Deficit As Well.

10. And That's Not All, God Yes An Executive Order now to Reduce Student Debt By $10,000 Dollars For Those
Making Less than $125,000 Dollars A Year. Hmm, Seems Like 'We' aRe 'Hitting' Most Human Demographics Here.

11. And That's Not All, A Push to Spend Billions More Dollars to FUND MORE FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT; However,
Even The 'Liberal Social Justice Warriors' Don't Have A Full Handle on the Problem as Research Shows Now A Major
Remedy For Reducing Crime is Extending Health Care to All Citizens to Help Them With Their Social-Economic Woes.

A. It's True, i Am A 'Reformed Scientist' From Decades of List Making BULLETS Utilizing Mechanical Cognition.

B. It's True, Now i Am An Artist With an Autotelic Personality Now Who Stays in Meditating Autotelic Flow
in Dance And Song And Other Arts too Almost Every Second of Existence Generating my Own Joy Within

With No Need
FOR EXTERNAL
AFFIRMATION OR
CAPITALIST ADDICTIONS
TO BUYING CRAP TO FEEL
GOOD IN A TEMPORARY ADDICTION THAT NEVER ENDS;

HOWEVER, JUST LIKE BASEBALL, i CAN AND WILL SWITCH
HIT AND NERD BLAST YA WITH FACTS AND FIGURES IN
NUMBERED BULLETS TO YA FALL ASLEEP WHILE I DO THAT TOO.

Biden iS A Winner, Mostly Because He Expresses High Levels
of Human Empathy and Compassion AND COOPERATION; Yes,

WITH BACKBONE TOO (No Doubt His Younger STELLAR YES!
REAL HUMAN ALPHA MALE LEADER! Mentor Obama Helped too)

TRUMP IS A LOSER AS HE EXPRESSES CLOSE TO ZERO
LEVELS OF HUMAN EMPATHY AND COMPASSION;

YES, 'SIMON BARON COHEN' DESCRIBES THIS MORE
AS A PERSONALITY OF 'PSYCHOPATHY' RATHER

THAN EMPATHETIC

FULLY HUMAN FOR REAL.

IN APE SOCIETIES, IT'S A MATTER OF
COOPERATION FOR SURVIVAL; SO APES
LIKE THIS GET TORN APART IN PIECES....

HUMANS ARE more polite, overall;

They Get on 'Political Stage' and

Give Massive Shade

too Where Shade is Deserved Most;

Yes, it is Called Canceling Poisonous
Culture/Behavior That Harms the Most instead of the Least.

It's ALSO CALLED FRIGGING SOCIAL JUSTICE, SO ALL FOLKS WITH
LEAST HARM MAY CONTINUE TO PURSUE THEIR OWN RIGHTS TO LIFE, WaKinG UP! NOW To
LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS IN THEIR DECLARATIONS OF INDEPENDENCE TOO.

KEY IS, LEAST HARM TO OTHERS WHILE YA DO THAT TOO; WHICH REQUIRES EMPATHY AND
COMPASSION TOO FOR

A SOCIETY
OF APES
HAIRLESS
OR FURRY FROM
HEAD TO TOE LIKE ME TO SURVIVE TOO, HEHE..;)

Anyway, We Human Beings Now Who Get Out 'in the Wild' and Interact With
Other Mostly Hairless Apes Who May Not Be Furry as me Either, Find That Human

Beings When they Meet and Greet FACE-TO-FACE 'NORMALLY' DON'T EVEN TALK ABOUT
POLITICS AND RELIGION; JESUS F IN CHRIST, EVEN WHERE i LIVE iN TRuMP TOWN USA WHeRE

WE ONCE HELD A RECORD FOR THE MOST CHURCHES PER CAPITA OF LOCALITY WITH MILITARY
STATIONS AND MILITARY FOLKS EVERYWHERE YA GO IN A THREE COUNTY AREA OF NAVY AND
AIR-FORCE TOO.

BY AIR AND
SEA AS THEY
STILL DO AND BELIEVE.

True, We Sing Military Songs in the
Frigging Catholic Church i Visit to
Study There Like the 'Wrong Planet'
As A Participant Anthropology Observer
And Longest EPiC Long Form Free Verse Poetry Writer too.

YOU CAN DRIVE THROUGH THIS AREA and see Perhaps 1 Percent
of Homes Still Supporting 'Trump Won the Last Election Lie' With

Flags That Fly That Way Threatening A Civil War to Insure 'Their LITTLE Dictator' Rises to Power for Real.

That's the 1 Percent or So That Biden is Referring too; Yet It's Also True They are Also Mostly the Median
Age 68 Of Folks Who View Fox News the Demographic Whose Glory Days Playing High School Football

And The Such
On Average at
Least Are Long Gone
As Couch Potatoes Watching
Sports And Usually Not Getting off Their Butts.

Indeed, my Peers, the Folks i Met Dancing Singing
at my 40th Class Reunion Back in 2018; A Sad Sight they

Are As Some Extremes Are too Fighting Now For A
Cause to Reach Some Semblance of 'Glory Days Again.'

True, It's Just A Fantasy They Do MOSTLY Bantering
Back and Forth In Dreams of Faux News and Online as Well too...

Yawn, When Trump
Lost the Last Election;

There Were The Extremes of The
Extremes Nation Wide Who Attacked the Capitol then.

How About All the Median Ages of the Folks Who Watch
Fox News After THAT Did they take It to Streets in Protest Like

The Much Younger Liberal Folks Did in Support of 'Black Lives Matter;'

NO, THEIR 'GLORY DAYS' ON AVERAGE IN
REALITY ARE GONE, GONE AWAY FOR GONE.

UNDERSTAND THE TARGET AUDIENCE;

Biden was Just Motivating His Political Leaning Base to Get Out and Vote.

And Trump Wouldn't Even Give His Supporters The Benefit of A Spit Upon their Face

As It's Easy to See That A Psychopathic Leaning Leader Who Insists That His Supporters Will
Support Him Still If He Shoots Someone in Broad Daylight on 5th Avenue Is Telling them from the Get

Go That Not Only

Are They Fools For Supporting

Him Yet Fools He Despises As Far
Below the Psychopathy of His Personality;

How People Miss the Fact That He Was Rubbing
the Noses of Those He Feels Like Are Dirt Lower

THAN MUD

Is Far Beyond

The Empath
of My Personality for Sure.

i See it As Sad And Pitiful;

Surely, Nothing to Write 'Home' and Gloat About;
Yet Truly Necessary For an EPiC Long Form Poem
That Dances And Sings Truths of the Human Condition FOR REAL.

Of Course, This is Just my Opinion Yet i Put Effort in Studying The Whole
Condition As Empirical Measurements Do Definitely Relate too; Yes, i Get Around
THE WHOLE GLOBE

FOR REAL;

And Yes i'm as Familiar
As Real Recorded Folk
Legend of Public Dance And Famous As Such Documented So

As the Frigging Weather Man in my Trump Town Metro Area
During Hurricane Seasons of Cat 6 Dance And Song too, Hehe...

And If You Want the Evidence, i Will Nerd Blast Ya Like You've Never Experienced Before.

That's A Campaign Promise For Any ENFP Personality Who Easily Switch Hits to INTJ like Waves on the Ocean Green...

Honestly, It's Like The Wizard of Oz When the 'Wicked Witch of the West' Gets Water of Justice Thrown Upon Him

By the 'Justice Department of Dorothy;' There Will Be Nothing Left For the Extremes of the Extremes to Attach

Themselves to

And 'Flying Monkeys' (Minions)

Will Once Again Roam Free
No Longer Tethered to the
Wicked Witch of the West All Orange
And Blonde Painted on AS Such for Real...

All the Orange And Blonde Will Melt Away
Into A Puddle All That Will be Left is Pale Grey;

Whether in a Jump Suit of Orange or the Rest of A Life Spent STILL IN DEFEAT.

DeSantis is Just A Little Frat Boy Punk Like Gaetz And The Rest of the Folks With Little Human Syndrome.

ON THE OTHER HAND DOUBT IT NOT TRUMP IS THE FULL FACE OF EVIL MATERIALLY REDUCED IN ONE HUMAN.

THEY Don't Come
Often Yet When they
Do They Leave Skid
Marks on Dirty Underwear
Forever As Long AS HiSToRY
Continues to Tale the DarK Parts of Humanity For Real.

IT'S TRUE AN ARCHETYPAL HUMAN 'REVELATION STORY'
THAT REPEATS EVER SO OFTEN FOR REAL STUDY HiSTORY TO SEE;

A DarK 'Egregore/MeMe' For Real Just Like the Opposite iN A 'Crowd Source'
of Autotelic Meditating Introspecting Contemplating Interpreting Arts in Flow;

'These' Are Bigger Picture Human Existence Views Mixed With Just A Few Bullets
of Facts and

Figures too...

Sort of Like Big
Yin and Little Yang For Real Hehe..;)



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07 Sep 2022, 11:01 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
I think saying those who voted for Trump, are Trump supporters in any way, are not necessarily "Maga Republicans", is splitting hairs. Perhaps something that should be taken into consideration, is how many republicans felt like the President of the United States is calling them "semi-fascists" and an "existential threat to democracy". And along with them, how many independents felt like that's what was being said. I think the speech, combined with the setting, dealt a serious blow to the Democrats a couple of months before the midterms. If I were a democrat, I would have been facepalming and shaking my head during that spectacle. As it is I rolled my eyes and chuckled.


Facts don’t care about your feelings.

Biden didn’t say what you claim he did.


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07 Sep 2022, 11:06 am

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He certainly didn't mean ALL Republicans.

He meant the fringe element who believe every bit of Trump's crap. The type who would invade the Capitol Building, and vandalize it.

There are many, many self-respecting Republicans who don't believe the Trump nonsense.

I don't see as how he meant a fringe when he said, the Republican party is dominated by the Maga Republicans. That doesn't just include those who voted for Trump, but every Maga Republican senator and congressperson they voted for as well. Whoever they all are.



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07 Sep 2022, 11:17 am

magz wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
I think saying those who voted for Trump, are Trump supporters in any way, are not necessarily "Maga Republicans", is splitting hairs.
I very much disagree - 74 million people are not a hair. AFAIK, very small fraction of those who voted for Trump also supported physically raiding the Capitol.

Is this really only just limited to the Capitol raid?
magz wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Perhaps something that should be taken into consideration, is how many republicans felt like the President of the United States is calling them "semi-fascists" and an "existential threat to democracy". And along with them, how many independents felt like that's what was being said. I think the speech, combined with the setting, dealt a serious blow to the Democrats a couple of months before the midterms. If I were a democrat, I would have been facepalming and shaking my head during that spectacle. As it is I rolled my eyes and chuckled.
Biden has never been a great speaker but I think only hardcore Republicans interpret these words the way you do - and their votes are settled anyway.

How can only hardcore Republicans interpret those words the way I do, when I'm not a hardcore Republican? I've been around the internet and it's not a minority view. On a personal level I found what Biden said was stupid, along the lines of "shooting oneself in the foot", rather than insulting. But I think a lot more people found it insulting, than some folks would like to believe.



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07 Sep 2022, 11:20 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
He certainly didn't mean ALL Republicans.

He meant the fringe element who believe every bit of Trump's crap. The type who would invade the Capitol Building, and vandalize it.

There are many, many self-respecting Republicans who don't believe the Trump nonsense.

I don't see as how he meant a fringe when he said, the Republican party is dominated by the Maga Republicans. That doesn't just include those who voted for Trump, but every Maga Republican senator and congressperson they voted for as well. Whoever they all are.

1. That's not exactly what he said, either.

2. You seriously cannot comprehend that a small subset of people can dominate a group? :? That's essentially what a leader does - one singular person can dominate & control an entire group. Wtf?


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07 Sep 2022, 11:22 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Matrix Glitch wrote:
I think saying those who voted for Trump, are Trump supporters in any way, are not necessarily "Maga Republicans", is splitting hairs.
I very much disagree - 74 million people are not a hair. AFAIK, very small fraction of those who voted for Trump also supported physically raiding the Capitol.

Is this really only just limited to the Capitol raid?
No, it also includes all other instances of blatant disregard for state-running procedures.

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How can only hardcore Republicans interpret these words the way I do, when I'm not a hardcore Republican?
Then why do you keep defending Trump despite all he's done?


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07 Sep 2022, 11:32 am

magz wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
magz wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
I think saying those who voted for Trump, are Trump supporters in any way, are not necessarily "Maga Republicans", is splitting hairs.
I very much disagree - 74 million people are not a hair. AFAIK, very small fraction of those who voted for Trump also supported physically raiding the Capitol.

Is this really only just limited to the Capitol raid?
No, it also includes all other instances of blatant disregard of state-running procedures.

Matrix Glitch wrote:
How can only hardcore Republicans interpret these words the way I do, when I'm not a hardcore Republican?
Then why do you defend Trump despite all he's done?

I don't see how that would make me a hardcore Republican. I chose Obama over Romney in 2012. And Clinton over Trump in 2016 (but only because of the fact that she was experienced and politics and Trump wasn't). The reason why I defend Trump is because I don't agree with everything that's said about him. And also, probably mainly, because I've grown to dislike woke, liberal, left-wing, democrat ideology and propaganda a great deal. So it's not really a love for the one, but rather an intense dislike for the other.