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08 Sep 2022, 2:33 am

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Not anti trans. Anti compulsory compliance. And since I already clearly explained that, I have to regard this as a personal attack.

BS. Your posts about refusal to treat trans people with dignity are bigoted enough, but your flame baiting insults of referring to them as "frankenstein," and "it," are doubling down on your insults knowing full well that I've stated I'm seeing a trans person.

I didn't do that. Whether intentional or not you are misinterpreting and misconstruing what I say, and then attacking me for it.
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I also find it really gross of you to make posts like these knowing full well there's a trans forum member who's posted in this thread.

That beloved member posted in agreement with me.



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08 Sep 2022, 2:38 am

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That beloved member posted in agreement with me.


Same poster who seems to have responded solely to the title of the thread without ever reading the article or the rest of the thread?

Honest question, I don't know the personal history of most of our posters.

You don't have to answer, I'm just enjoying pointing out how the misleading thread title is actually creating incorrect impressions of what happened.


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08 Sep 2022, 2:53 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
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That beloved member posted in agreement with me.


Same poster who seems to have responded solely to the title of the thread without ever reading the article or the rest of the thread?

Honest question, I don't know the personal history of most of our posters.

You don't have to answer, I'm just enjoying pointing out how the misleading thread title is actually creating incorrect impressions of what happened.

Like I said. It won't happen again. I made an idiotic mistake and f*ed up big time. I put in a request to have it changed.

However in my opinion the title isn't that misleading. The suspension and the imprisonment are tied together as a matter of cause and effect.

The teacher refused to use the new name and pronoun, which lead to suspension, which lead to the teacher refusing to stop teaching, which lead to imprisonment.
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08 Sep 2022, 2:56 am

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Another one! so I guess the upside of this is it filters out prejudiced teachers.

So teachers are being prejudiced for not capitulating to their students demanding they call them a new name they made up and referring to them by any one of 78 pronouns?

It will be quite interesting when 20 students must be referred to by 10 different individual pronouns.


Honestly how much harder is it for a teacher to learn a pronoun as when they have a student with a non-English name?



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08 Sep 2022, 3:01 am

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Another one! so I guess the upside of this is it filters out prejudiced teachers.

So teachers are being prejudiced for not capitulating to their students demanding they call them a new name they made up and referring to them by any one of 78 pronouns?

It will be quite interesting when 20 students must be referred to by 10 different individual pronouns.


Honestly how much harder is it for a teacher to learn a pronoun as when they have a student with a non-English name?

I'd say it would be more a matter of trying to keep track of which pronoun belonged to whom. I suppose the teacher would have to use a chart.



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08 Sep 2022, 3:04 am

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I would check out "1984' and 'Animal Farm' Goldfish. Those are two books that would give you a good understanding what I'm talking about.


The powers in those two books were authoritarian governments who not interested in minority rights



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08 Sep 2022, 3:05 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
That beloved member posted in agreement with me.


Same poster who seems to have responded solely to the title of the thread without ever reading the article or the rest of the thread?

Honest question, I don't know the personal history of most of our posters.

You don't have to answer, I'm just enjoying pointing out how the misleading thread title is actually creating incorrect impressions of what happened.

Like I said. It won't happen again. And I put in a request to have it changed.

However in my opinion the title isn't that misleading. The suspension and the imprisonment are tied together as a matter of cause and effect.

The teacher refused to use the new name and pronoun, which lead to suspension, which lead to the teacher refusing to stop teaching, which lead to imprisonment.
.


That is where you and I are very different. I see a whole string of escalating bad choices on the teacher's part that no sane person would normally make. A does not normally lead to E. Each step along the way was a new opportunity to prevent E, with the teacher choosing instead to make a new choice he had to know would create additional confrontation.

But it might have saved a lot of discussion if you had explained how you felt about the connected dots earlier.


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08 Sep 2022, 3:10 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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Another one! so I guess the upside of this is it filters out prejudiced teachers.

So teachers are being prejudiced for not capitulating to their students demanding they call them a new name they made up and referring to them by any one of 78 pronouns?

It will be quite interesting when 20 students must be referred to by 10 different individual pronouns.


Honestly how much harder is it for a teacher to learn a pronoun as when they have a student with a non-English name?

I'd say it would be more a matter of trying to keep track of which pronoun belonged to whom. I suppose the teacher would have to use a chart.


Some schools use name tags. That could help,



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08 Sep 2022, 3:17 am

DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
That beloved member posted in agreement with me.


Same poster who seems to have responded solely to the title of the thread without ever reading the article or the rest of the thread?

Honest question, I don't know the personal history of most of our posters.

You don't have to answer, I'm just enjoying pointing out how the misleading thread title is actually creating incorrect impressions of what happened.

Like I said. It won't happen again. And I put in a request to have it changed.

However in my opinion the title isn't that misleading. The suspension and the imprisonment are tied together as a matter of cause and effect.

The teacher refused to use the new name and pronoun, which lead to suspension, which lead to the teacher refusing to stop teaching, which lead to imprisonment.
.


That is where you and I are very different. I see a whole string of escalating bad choices on the teacher's part that no sane person would normally make. A does not normally lead to E. Each step along the way is a new opportunity to prevent E.

I see the teacher taking stance. Giving the message of stand your ground. Kinda reminds me of Norma Rae.
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But it might have saved a lot of discussion if you had explained how you felt about the connected dots earlier.

Oops.



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08 Sep 2022, 3:19 am

cyberdad wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Another one! so I guess the upside of this is it filters out prejudiced teachers.

So teachers are being prejudiced for not capitulating to their students demanding they call them a new name they made up and referring to them by any one of 78 pronouns?

It will be quite interesting when 20 students must be referred to by 10 different individual pronouns.


Honestly how much harder is it for a teacher to learn a pronoun as when they have a student with a non-English name?

I'd say it would be more a matter of trying to keep track of which pronoun belonged to whom. I suppose the teacher would have to use a chart.


Some schools use name tags. That could help,

Names and pronouns are two separate things.



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08 Sep 2022, 3:23 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Names and pronouns are two separate things.


No they are. Every conference I've attended name tags include names and titles.



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08 Sep 2022, 3:26 am

cyberdad wrote:
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Names and pronouns are two separate things.


No they are. Every conference I've attended name tags include names and titles.

A gender pronoun isn't a title.



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08 Sep 2022, 3:31 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
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Names and pronouns are two separate things.


No they are. Every conference I've attended name tags include names and titles.

A gender pronoun isn't a title.


Use your imagination, in school it can be
Miss
Mr
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Master
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08 Sep 2022, 3:38 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
DW_a_mom wrote:
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That beloved member posted in agreement with me.


Same poster who seems to have responded solely to the title of the thread without ever reading the article or the rest of the thread?

Honest question, I don't know the personal history of most of our posters.

You don't have to answer, I'm just enjoying pointing out how the misleading thread title is actually creating incorrect impressions of what happened.

Like I said. It won't happen again. I made an idiotic mistake and f*ed up big time. I put in a request to have it changed.

However in my opinion the title isn't that misleading. The suspension and the imprisonment are tied together as a matter of cause and effect.

The teacher refused to use the new name and pronoun, which lead to suspension, which lead to the teacher refusing to stop teaching, which lead to imprisonment.
.


I wouldnt call that an idiotic mistake or f*****g up big time. its only a thread title i dont get why people are getting annoyed about it. not your fault if context cant be fit in a box



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08 Sep 2022, 4:01 am

I figure anything less than "bigot scumbag teacher got what he deserves" would have still been met with complaints, derailing and badgering the OP.



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08 Sep 2022, 4:13 am

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I see the teacher taking stance. Giving the message of stand your ground. Kinda reminds me of Norma Rae.


Reminds me of someone creating bait for questionable headlines.

Although the teacher may have been more galvanized by the religious liberty side than the pronoun usage itself, even though the religious liberty factor doesn't seem to have grabbed headlines or public interest.


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