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09 Sep 2022, 8:47 pm

So will the Duke of Cambridge become the Prince of Wales?



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09 Sep 2022, 9:22 pm

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KitLily wrote:
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I wonder what precisely kept Prince Philip from being King Philip.


He refused the title because he wanted his wife to have her birthright and not take it away from her. He was her steadfast supporter.

That rings a bell.

But I also read; The Duke of Edinburgh was not granted the title of king because of a rule that states the husband of a ruling queen is called prince consort, just as wives of kings are typically referred to as queen consort.

That would explain why Queen Victoria's husband's title was also prince. Prince Albert.


I have something in my head about Kings naturally outranking Queens, so if a Queen is the ruler, it wouldn't be appropriate for husband to be King. A King's wife, however, can be Queen because she won't outrank him regardless. With Camilla I have some recollection the future title was negotiated at the time they got married, a way of avoiding waves with some of the populace who didn't think she should become Queen.

So maybe I should look it all up, see how close my recollection is to fact ...

So it seems Kate will not Queen, either, but Queen Consort. To be Queen (or King), you have to be in the official line of succession.

I do know the rules of succession aren't a constant, which could be why some of my memories do not match current reality.

Regardless, current reality sits at a spouse being Queen or King Consort, and only the original family member, the person directly in the line of succession, being King or Queen.


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09 Sep 2022, 9:45 pm

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And it's William, not Wilhelm.


I thought that was a joke.


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09 Sep 2022, 10:39 pm

I don't have a strong opinion of the Queen, though my opinion for years was that the constitutional monarchy needed to be done away with.

As for her impact on culture and language over the past 70 years, it's gonna be a hard one to shake.



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09 Sep 2022, 10:44 pm

William is the Prince of Wales.



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09 Sep 2022, 11:37 pm

In his speech King Charles said "As my Heir, William now assumes the Scottish titles which have meant so much to me. He succeeds me as Duke of Cornwall and takes on the responsibilities for the Duchy of Cornwall which I have undertaken for more than five decades."

"Today, I am proud to create him Prince of Wales, Tywysog Cymru, the country whose title I have been so greatly privileged to bear during so much of my life and duty."



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09 Sep 2022, 11:43 pm

Here's some humorous bits with Elizabeth.



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10 Sep 2022, 12:38 am

R I P your majesty.



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10 Sep 2022, 1:31 am

Matrix Glitch wrote:
Here's some humorous bits with Elizabeth.



Off topic, but....

I didnt know that Canada ever had a prime minister named "Just Intruder". :lol:



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10 Sep 2022, 3:51 am

Here is an interesting article explaining the rules of succession:

Explainer: Britain's rules of succession for a new sovereign
https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britai ... 022-09-08/

The interesting bit:
Except in the unique case of William III and Mary, who ruled jointly, the monarch reigns alone. The wives of royal men are accorded the rank and status of their husbands, while the male consorts of female royals have no automatic right to a title.

I take that to mean that Catherine will be Queen Catherine, because previous wives of Kings have been Queen.


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10 Sep 2022, 4:15 am

So with all the jokes about Charlie, I wonder how long before we see this?

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10 Sep 2022, 4:18 am

IsabellaLinton wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:

And it's William, not Wilhelm.


I thought that was a joke.


Nein Fraulein.



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10 Sep 2022, 5:11 am

cyberdad wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
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And it's William, not Wilhelm.


I thought that was a joke.


Nein Fraulein.

I found the whole post amusing whether intentional or not.



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10 Sep 2022, 5:36 am

Katherine would be Queen if William became King. But she would not be a governing Queen.

But if a woman became governing Queen, her husband would not be King.



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10 Sep 2022, 7:16 am

Let's hope this never happens:



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10 Sep 2022, 8:05 am

Did anyone see that when the Queen met with Liz Truss, she had a large bruise on the back of her hand? Like it almost covered her hand. I thought she might have worn gloves to hide it. But maybe she didn't because she was inside.

Anyway I'm happy the Queen is back with Prince Phillip. She lived a good 96 years.