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15 Mar 2020, 8:05 pm

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I just had a humidifier installed for my house last week. It's set at 40%. Should I put it a little higher? It's generally about 5-10 degrees Celsius where I live. My house gets quite chilly upstairs. I do open my windows a lot because I like fresh air.


In the cold weather months 40% humidity would be fine.


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15 Mar 2020, 8:06 pm

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ISIS advises terrorists to steer clear of Europe during coronavirus outbreak

The Islamic State is telling members not to travel to Europe to carry out attacks as the coronavirus ravages the continent.

After years of telling adherents to wage jihad in European countries, the terrorist group issued a set of “sharia directives” in its al Naba newsletter telling attackers to “stay away from the land of the epidemic.”

ISIS also said terrorists should wash their hands regularly and “cover their mouths when yawning and sneezing.” The newsletter describes the COVID-19 virus as a “plague” and a “torment sent by God on whomsoever He wills.”

“Illnesses do not strike by themselves but by the command and decree of God,” the directive read. ISIS also told followers who are already in Europe to stay put and not travel back to the Middle East.


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... s-outbreak


"It is an ill wind which blows no good."
At least the covid virus has mitigated terrorism, in some areas.
Perhaps that was god's intention. :mrgreen:



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15 Mar 2020, 8:23 pm

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The word is out now.
Older people are now self-isolating in much greater numbers.
It may crimp their lifestyle somewhat, but it will improve their health situation, relatively speaking.


One other thing to factor in is the Pneumonia vaccine (PCV13 + PPSV23). Most elderly dying from influenzas in general and also the coronavirus are weakened by the virus, it attacks their immune system, they contract pneumonia and quickly die. The U.S. Government has been paying (100%) for this vaccine for the elderly through Medicare for the past several years.
Source: Pneumonia shots

I do not know how many of the elderly in the U.S. were immunized. But if the number of deaths in the U.S. in the final analysis appears blunted, then this might be the cause.


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Woolworths has announced it will set aside the first hour of trade for the elderly to protect them from fights over essentials as Australians continue...



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15 Mar 2020, 8:31 pm

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:heart: :heart: :heart:

Unfortunately, there could still be younger people trying to shop for the elderly. Most of the seniors are staying home, I hope, but it's a brilliant idea.


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So you’re out of dunny paper and idiots have stripped the supermarket shelves. But never fear, a trip to Bunnings and a little DIY and you’ll make a b...


Forget that.
Most people will just go into the shower that is equipped with a hand-held extension nozzle.
Simples.



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15 Mar 2020, 8:36 pm

In Victorian times they used a goose neck. No shite. 8O

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15 Mar 2020, 8:41 pm

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The United States put up firewalls very early. These were geological firewalls. They tried to prevent the spread of the virus into the U.S.

But there is another type of firewall. I will call this a vulnerability firewall. Take the most vulnerable (mortality rate) and create a strong firewall around them. Let the coronavirus roar through the general population, but minimize the penetration into the vulnerable group. This coronavirus is attacking the elderly and those with compromised immune systems. Those are the ones that are at risk and need protection.

Typical flu symptoms include fever, cough, sore throat, muscle aches, headaches, runny or stuffy nose, fatigue and, sometimes, vomiting and diarrhea, according to the CDC. With COVID-19 reported symptoms in patients have varied from mild to severe, and can include fever, cough and shortness of breath. I believe that I even read that they symptoms in the young and healthy are even milder than the normal flu.

In China, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. No deaths in children under 9 have been reported. So if the same ratio holds true in North America, then you might cut the line at age 60 or perhaps age 50 and protect this group also adding in those with compromised immune systems. That would be a vulnerability firewall.

For those younger than the limit, there are precautions to take also. If they get sick, they should isolate themselves at home. Since their primary danger is contracting pneumonia, they should monitor their red blood cells oxygen levels using an oximeter. If it falls below a set number, perhaps 90%, they should immediately be admitted to the hospital for treatment.

Are there any signs that this vulnerability firewall may be taking shape? I think so. The VA has taken steps to restrict visitors to their nursing homes. Also visits to nursing homes nationwide will be temporarily restricted under the national emergency that President Donald Trump declared Friday to battle the novel coronavirus.

Passengers aboard cruise ships have been hit especially hard by this coronavirus. Most of the people who take cruises would fit the elderly category. For what I am observing, several cruise lines are temporarily halting cruises for awhile.

Maybe we just need to set up a quarantine on 60 year olds and older (with or without symptoms) and have them shelter in place instead of the general population.


California Governor Gavin Newsom just ordered isolation of all people 65 and older and people with chronic conditions.


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15 Mar 2020, 8:42 pm

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In Victorian times they used a goose neck. No shite. 8O

https://www.ranker.com/list/historical- ... cole-levin

My seven geese have now went up in value.I better not catch anyone trying to wipe using my geese.


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15 Mar 2020, 8:44 pm

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
In Victorian times they used a goose neck. No shite. 8O

https://www.ranker.com/list/historical- ... cole-levin

My seven geese have now went up in value.I better not catch anyone trying to wipe using my geese.


Guard your corn cobs, too!


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15 Mar 2020, 8:49 pm

the atomization of society is complete.


i am not really optimistic that things will go back to normal when the contagion itself fizzles out


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15 Mar 2020, 8:56 pm

368 people died in Italy today :skull:


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15 Mar 2020, 8:58 pm

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Misslizard wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
In Victorian times they used a goose neck. No shite. 8O

https://www.ranker.com/list/historical- ... cole-levin

My seven geese have now went up in value.I better not catch anyone trying to wipe using my geese.


Guard your corn cobs, too!

I’ve already stashed them.
This grows wild here and pretty much all across the US.
https://www.permacultureproject.com/pla ... let-paper/


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15 Mar 2020, 9:19 pm

I don’t know if anyone has posted this link.Just in case here it is.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


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15 Mar 2020, 9:30 pm

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i am not really optimistic that things will go back to normal when the contagion itself fizzles out

UK, Germany, Sweden, have all announced they have given up fighting the virus, and will let the majority of their population get infected, under the theory that the population will develop "herd immunity."

However, there is a big assumption in this approach. It assumes that COVID-19 is just like regular flu, that you develop immunity after you recover from the sickness.

Is this assumption true? https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/

If the underlying assumption of no reinfection is faulty, you can expect all hell will break loose in Europe. Right now, there is just too little data to support one way or another. BUT, if reinfection is true, we can pretty much say: "Bye bye Europe." I surely hope people don't get reinfected easily.


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15 Mar 2020, 9:32 pm

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Kiprobalhato wrote:
i am not really optimistic that things will go back to normal when the contagion itself fizzles out

UK, Germany, Sweden, have all announced they have given up fighting the virus, and will let the majority of their population get infected, under the theory that the population will develop "herd immunity."

However, there is a big assumption in this approach. It assumes that COVID-19 is just like regular flu, that you develop immunity after you recover from the sickness.

Is this assumption true? https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/

If the underlying assumption of no reinfection is faulty, you can expect all hell will break loose in Europe. Right now, there is just too little data to support one way or another. BUT, if reinfection is true, we can pretty much say: "Bye bye Europe." I surely hope people don't get reinfected easily.


I thought that some people were already confirmed to have contracted it twice? Did I misread that somewhere or is it documented?


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