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15 Mar 2020, 9:39 pm

At my work, we've had to put a lock on the bathroom supply closet on account of people trying to steal our toilet paper.

If we can't handle this, how will we survive the zombie apocalypse?


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15 Mar 2020, 9:56 pm

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I thought that some people were already confirmed to have contracted it twice? Did I misread that somewhere or is it documented?

It's well documented. But what happens exactly? No one is sure. Read the link of the article for more details. No one is sure whether the reinfection is real, or just faulty early discharge. Or maybe the virus goes into remission (like chickenpox vs. shingles/herpes zoster), and comes back to strike again.


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15 Mar 2020, 10:02 pm

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I thought that some people were already confirmed to have contracted it twice? Did I misread that somewhere or is it documented?

It's well documented. But what happens exactly? No one is sure. Read the link of the article for more details. No one is sure whether the reinfection is real, or just faulty early discharge. Or maybe the virus goes into remission (like chickenpox vs. shingles/herpes zoster), and comes back to strike again.


I didn't have time to read it yet, but I will.

I had chicken pox twice, myself.


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15 Mar 2020, 10:12 pm

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I don’t know if anyone has posted this link.Just in case here it is.


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/


So far, China is "winning", but Italy looks to be the "Dark Horse".



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15 Mar 2020, 10:19 pm

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i am not really optimistic that things will go back to normal when the contagion itself fizzles out

UK, Germany, Sweden, have all announced they have given up fighting the virus, and will let the majority of their population get infected, under the theory that the population will develop "herd immunity."

However, there is a big assumption in this approach. It assumes that COVID-19 is just like regular flu, that you develop immunity after you recover from the sickness.

Is this assumption true? https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/03/15/can-you-get-infected-by-coronavirus-twice-how-does-covid-19-immunity-work/

If the underlying assumption of no reinfection is faulty, you can expect all hell will break loose in Europe. Right now, there is just too little data to support one way or another. BUT, if reinfection is true, we can pretty much say: "Bye bye Europe." I surely hope people don't get reinfected easily.


This is a big concern for me; overall we know next to nothing about this virus and it seems so many people, even those in areas of medicine and policy making are treating it like a cold or flu. Some viruses are incurable like herpes and HIV. We don't know if the Covid-19 may act similarly.



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15 Mar 2020, 10:25 pm

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If the underlying assumption of no reinfection is faulty, you can expect all hell will break loose in Europe. Right now, there is just too little data to support one way or another. BUT, if reinfection is true, we can pretty much say: "Bye bye Europe." I surely hope people don't get reinfected easily.


China would be "the canary in the coal mine".
It began there, so any significant re-infection should be apparent there first.

At this stage, China has contained the problem, which is a pleasing development.
If there is the possibility of a significant re-infection event, it hasn't shown to be the case *short term*.
And that is a plus in itself.

Having a "glass half full" mindset, I'm thinking it won't be a problem, based on what has been happening to date.



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15 Mar 2020, 10:29 pm

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This is a big concern for me; overall we know next to nothing about this virus and it seems so many people, even those in areas of medicine and policy making are treating it like a cold or flu. Some viruses are incurable like herpes and HIV. We don't know if the Covid-19 may act similarly.


For the vast majority of people, it *is* just like a cold or flu. ;)

If you are under 60, basically you don't have much to worry about.
If you are over 60, well... 8O



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15 Mar 2020, 10:39 pm

Pepe wrote:
Magna wrote:

This is a big concern for me; overall we know next to nothing about this virus and it seems so many people, even those in areas of medicine and policy making are treating it like a cold or flu. Some viruses are incurable like herpes and HIV. We don't know if the Covid-19 may act similarly.


For the vast majority of people, it *is* just like a cold or flu. ;)

If you are under 60, basically you don't have much to worry about.
If you are over 60, well... 8O


We don't know that yet. There are too many "what ifs".

What if it's incurable and goes into remission only to come back or mutate reinfecting and killing the person months or even years later?

What if a person "recovers" from it only to be weakened and made more susceptible to some other disease at some future point?

What if we find that a person who "recovers" will end up needing suppressive drugs to remain healthy?

It doesn't seem crazy to think that we know about this virus and its long term effects after only being on the scene for a few months? And, China: Yeah, I don't think we can trust all the data China is giving or not giving to the rest of the world.



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15 Mar 2020, 10:45 pm

Magna wrote:
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Magna wrote:

This is a big concern for me; overall we know next to nothing about this virus and it seems so many people, even those in areas of medicine and policy making are treating it like a cold or flu. Some viruses are incurable like herpes and HIV. We don't know if the Covid-19 may act similarly.


For the vast majority of people, it *is* just like a cold or flu. ;)

If you are under 60, basically you don't have much to worry about.
If you are over 60, well... 8O


We don't know that yet. There are too many "what ifs".

What if it's incurable and goes into remission only to come back or mutate reinfecting and killing the person months or even years later?

What if a person "recovers" from it only to be weakened and made more susceptible to some other disease at some future point?

What if we find that a person who "recovers" will end up needing suppressive drugs to remain healthy?

It doesn't seem crazy to think that we know about this virus and its long term effects after only being on the scene for a few months? And, China: Yeah, I don't think we can trust all the data China is giving or not giving to the rest of the world.


I gather you are a glass half empty kinda guy. :mrgreen:

I wouldn't worry about it.
If it does happen, there will be plenty of time to panic after you croak it. :mrgreen:

In the meantime, take precautions, stay safe...
And protect your toilet paper with your life! :mrgreen:



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15 Mar 2020, 10:46 pm

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If you are under 60, basically you don't have much to worry about.


People under 60 need to worry about other people besides themselves. Wandering about whether ill or not, and carrying germs which can be transmitted to more vulnerable people, is something to worry about.

I'm under 60 and I'm doing everything I can to help others, even strangers. Many people are asymptomatic but they still need to protect others because they could be infected. Even if they aren't infected, it sets a precedent where others won't want to quarantine when they see people taking unnecessary liberties.


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15 Mar 2020, 10:58 pm

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Pepe wrote:
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If you are under 60, basically you don't have much to worry about.


People under 60 need to worry about other people besides themselves. Wandering about whether ill or not, and carrying germs which can be transmitted to more vulnerable people, is something to worry about.

I'm under 60 and I'm doing everything I can to help others, even strangers. Many people are asymptomatic but they still need to protect others because they could be infected. Even if they aren't infected, it sets a precedent where others won't want to quarantine when they see people taking unnecessary liberties.


"Context", my dear Isabella.
If you are under 60, there is nothing for you to worry about (in terms of your own mortality). :wink:
And *all* those over 60 are already hiding under their bed, with the stash of toilet rolls.
That is why my typing is a little shakey, atm. :mrgreen:

Settle petal.
I hope you haven't been infected with "The Panic Bug"? 8O

EDIT: That was why I said: "you don't have much to worry about".
I was aware of the other considerations when I typed what I did. ;)



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15 Mar 2020, 11:03 pm

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Pepe wrote:
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If you are under 60, basically you don't have much to worry about.


People under 60 need to worry about other people besides themselves. Wandering about whether ill or not, and carrying germs which can be transmitted to more vulnerable people, is something to worry about.

I'm under 60 and I'm doing everything I can to help others, even strangers. Many people are asymptomatic but they still need to protect others because they could be infected. Even if they aren't infected, it sets a precedent where others won't want to quarantine when they see people taking unnecessary liberties.


"Context", my dear Isabella.
If you are under 60, there is nothing for you to worry about (in terms of your own mortality). :wink:
And *all* those over 60 are already hiding under their bed, with the stash of toilet rolls.
That is why my typing is a little shakey, atm. :mrgreen:

Settle petal.
I hope you haven't been infected with "The Panic Bug"? 8O


I have family members who are very high risk because they are severely immunocompromised.

I'd gladly get sick instead of them, but I'm being cautious for everyone.

Namaste. :P


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15 Mar 2020, 11:17 pm

A police department in Oregon is urging people that if they’ve run out of toilet paper, it’s not worth calling 911.

The Newport Police Department posted the surprising message on its Facebook page as shoppers across the country have flocked to supermarkets to stock up on supplies amid the coronavirus pandemic that has put much of the world on edge.

“It’s hard to believe that we even have to post this. Do not call 9-1-1 just because you ran out of toilet paper. You will survive without our assistance,” NPD wrote.


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15 Mar 2020, 11:28 pm

One of the major problems so far in the U.S. has been the rollout of coronavirus test kits. This graphs shows current progress.

Number of specimens tested for SARS CoV-2 by CDC labs (N=4,069) and U.S. public health laboratories (N=18,644) as of 15 March 2019.
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[Gray area on right side of graph - Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when specimens are accessioned, testing is performed, and results are reported.]

It is ramping up but still dramatically to little. As these numbers rise and the commercial test kits are integrated we may finally get a handle on the actual number of infections in U.S.


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15 Mar 2020, 11:31 pm

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A police department in Oregon is urging people that if they’ve run out of toilet paper, it’s not worth calling 911.

The Newport Police Department posted the surprising message on its Facebook page as shoppers across the country have flocked to supermarkets to stock up on supplies amid the coronavirus pandemic that has put much of the world on edge.

“It’s hard to believe that we even have to post this. Do not call 9-1-1 just because you ran out of toilet paper. You will survive without our assistance,” NPD wrote.


Panic?
Who suggested that anyone was panicking?

OK ppl, to be clear:
Take what the nice policeman said to heart.
Not having toilet paper is *not* a life-threatening event.
You *will* survive.
Take a big breath and compose yourself.
This, absence of toilet paper apocalypse, too shall pass. :mrgreen:

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IsabellaLinton wrote:
Pepe wrote:
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If you are under 60, basically you don't have much to worry about.


People under 60 need to worry about other people besides themselves. Wandering about whether ill or not, and carrying germs which can be transmitted to more vulnerable people, is something to worry about.

I'm under 60 and I'm doing everything I can to help others, even strangers. Many people are asymptomatic but they still need to protect others because they could be infected. Even if they aren't infected, it sets a precedent where others won't want to quarantine when they see people taking unnecessary liberties.


"Context", my dear Isabella.
If you are under 60, there is nothing for you to worry about (in terms of your own mortality). :wink:
And *all* those over 60 are already hiding under their bed, with the stash of toilet rolls.
That is why my typing is a little shakey, atm. :mrgreen:

Settle petal.
I hope you haven't been infected with "The Panic Bug"? 8O


I have family members who are very high risk because they are severely immunocompromised.

I'd gladly get sick instead of them, but I'm being cautious for everyone.

Namaste. :P


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15 Mar 2020, 11:50 pm

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/hoboken-mayor-imposes-mandatory-nightly-curfew-limits-restaurant-access/2327250/

Hoboken, NJ under curfew. The population of Hoboken is 80% white. If it had been a minority-majority town in a red state, it would be under total martial law.

In a country where politicians (especially Republicans) are seen as Nazis and cops are seen as domestic terrorists, It would not surprise me if the latter happened.


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