The REAL cause of the totenham riots...

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09 Aug 2011, 4:20 pm

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Urgh, was going to meet up with two friends and have had to cancel.

My opinion of this whole thing: Playing fields concreted over and built upon, youth centres closed, EMA taken away (harder to travel to college and buy books), benefits cut...these youths are bored and have nothing to do. I know when I have nothing to do, I feel like I'm going crazy. But I don't loot, burn people's homes, lifetime businesses..

If this whole thing was political they would have had a main message before it all started, and they wouldn't have taken it out in their own communities. So they must be bored kids who have decided to loot for some excitement. I blame the government cuts, and making people pay too much for things like swimming pools plus all of the things I mentioned in the second sentence I wrote. Basically, if they had something better to do (which has been taken away) then this could have been prevented. I still think they're thugs.



EMA was a big thing - not just about the money- it was a removal of another stand of hope.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:21 pm

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You're right, he is a slimebucket. That smug, sly look on his face just says "slime"! !


On his 7th birthday, as a treat he went to Washington via concord. To I think, have steak with the kennedys kids

You couldn't make it up lmao!



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09 Aug 2011, 4:23 pm

Have no delusions this is not political , these people do not think of politics- they want bling BMW's and status. There are some who are willing to study and work to get out of this whose exits have been reduced by political decisions, such as removing EMA.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:29 pm

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And why the hell did England import people that can't look after themselves and the government can't afford to look after them ether? Did they decide that keeping peace in Northern Ireland and dealing with chavs wasn't a big enough headache so they added to it?


The reasons are complex but have a root cause, it was economic greed. The first Windrush was the blacks who took jobs few whites wanted to do. It began later in earnest in The North , importing Indian workers to the textile mills . It was argued they were more conscientious , but actually they would work for less and wouldn't strike. Then the doors opened for other employers to hire immigrants, and the economy became dependent on immigrant labor.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:40 pm

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Its the government and the media that spin the poor on benefits as parasites. The Tories as the same old Tories thinking about the rich. Labour were the same back in the 90s under the New Labour (Pseudo Tory) BS. You know today in the news it was said that the bankers got another pay rise, a great day to cover that up now!!


The Tories really aren't very Tory and Labour really isn't very Labour. They've all sort of conglomerated into one. Even the likes of UKIP seem to have lost their focus somewhat.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:42 pm

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And why the hell did England import people that can't look after themselves and the government can't afford to look after them ether? Did they decide that keeping peace in Northern Ireland and dealing with chavs wasn't a big enough headache so they added to it?


That's very true. And they're making the same mistakes here as they did and are continuing to make in Northern Ireland.

Expect to see more riots encouraged by the results of the likes of this. I (and people in Northern Ireland) used to think that the British had one policy for dealing with Northern Ireland related trouble and a totally different policy for the mainland. Now I'm not so sure.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:46 pm

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cdfox7 wrote:
Its the government and the media that spin the poor on benefits as parasites. The Tories as the same old Tories thinking about the rich. Labour were the same back in the 90s under the New Labour (Pseudo Tory) BS. You know today in the news it was said that the bankers got another pay rise, a great day to cover that up now!!


The Tories really aren't very Tory and Labour really isn't very Labour. They've all sort of conglomerated into one. Even the likes of UKIP seem to have lost their focus somewhat.


Thats what you get when the political parties whore themselves for votes they lost their focus tiring to please everyone : :wink:
They just end up pleasing no one lol:



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09 Aug 2011, 4:55 pm

This is true cdfx7 - the last Labour government were pure BS- and maybe it was the first time it was understood by the public how much BS is in all politics and interconnected big business, because of the internet and communication.

It is time for us to have some kind of honesty and a rethink of what we are all doing as a society. I wonder if the people in America realize the massive gulf between the very rich here and the poor and the sheer trash that is broadcast on TV/downloaded into people's heads- bling, designer labels, silly programs about houses they can't ever afford and cooking programs and footballers wives. It's nuts. I'm not going to say NT but it is just nuts.



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09 Aug 2011, 4:57 pm

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They just end up pleasing no one lol:


They only please their more tribal members who would vote for a pig in a blue or red coat, and people with vested interests. And public sector workers at the moment.



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09 Aug 2011, 5:05 pm

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They just end up pleasing no one lol:


They only please their more tribal members who would vote for a pig in a blue or red coat, and people with vested interests. And public sector workers at the moment.


I know public sector workers who hate both them parties for f*****g around public sector worker pensions. Pigs right now would make perfect MPs than the a***holes we got now :lol:



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09 Aug 2011, 5:07 pm

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I know public sector workers who hate both them parties for f***ing around public sector worker pensions.


A lot of people in the private sector think that the public sector workers are really just greedy and grasping. And seeing the difference in pay, I'll side with the private sector, thanks.

Public sector workers are hardly likely to vote UKIP, I would have thought, considering their small state policies. Much more likely to be one of the 'left' parties - i.e. Labour, LD or Green if they live in a suitably deranged part of the country.



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09 Aug 2011, 5:19 pm

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A lot of people in the private sector think that the public sector workers are really just greedy and grasping. And seeing the difference in pay, I'll side with the private sector, thanks.


So its just going to down to the private sector to resolve the rioting that been happing?



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09 Aug 2011, 5:27 pm

Oh gawd the police helicopter's up and zooming around.



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09 Aug 2011, 6:29 pm

I saw the the riot in my city begin as I went home from work, today. I didn't think it would get really bad, but when I get home my mum rings me to tell me there's been fire and looting.

The riots up here have nothing to do with the shooting in London. It's because it's summer, the kids are not going to get their EMA and they can't get a job, either. Oh, and they want a new pair of trainers without paying for them.


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09 Aug 2011, 6:45 pm

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Urgh, was going to meet up with two friends and have had to cancel.

My opinion of this whole thing: Playing fields concreted over and built upon, youth centres closed, EMA taken away (harder to travel to college and buy books), benefits cut...these youths are bored and have nothing to do. I know when I have nothing to do, I feel like I'm going crazy. But I don't loot, burn people's homes, lifetime businesses..

If this whole thing was political they would have had a main message before it all started, and they wouldn't have taken it out in their own communities. So they must be bored kids who have decided to loot for some excitement. I blame the government cuts, and making people pay too much for things like swimming pools plus all of the things I mentioned in the second sentence I wrote. Basically, if they had something better to do (which has been taken away) then this could have been prevented. I still think they're thugs.


This.


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09 Aug 2011, 7:12 pm

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BassMan_720 read some of my past comments this had sweet FA to do with the Toxtie riots of the 80s, as thoses riots were started by people local to the Toxteth area, last nites riots had about 60% of people from the north end of Liverpool starting it.

Edit: I do know what am talking about as I know a few people who do community work in Toxteth plus I have friends and family friends living in that part of Liverpool.


I agree that these riots are not linked. However there are several similarities regarding the social pressures that IMO were the root cause behind the riots. With respect to the 1980 riots you are wrong. I can speak from first hand (OK, I’ve outed myself as a scouser). I was studying in Liverpool at the time and had to pass through Toxteth on a daily basis. The 1980 riots started as a small local affair but very quickly built up with people coming to “join the fun” from much further afield than North Liverpool.

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Don't trust the Tories as after the Toxeth riots back in the 80s they did say that they would resolve the social issues that riot pointed out, they did jack sh**! ! Its taken my city 20 years to recover from the '81 and '85 riots.

Also not true. Much of Toxteth was redeveloped after the riots. Believe it or not, it has gone up-market in a big way since the 1980s. I doubt if so much money would have been pumped into the area if there were no need to keep a lid on the troubles.

I’d rather not say any more on this because I am starting to sound pro riot, which I am not. Yes, the people inciting riot are scumbags that are ruining the lives of ordinary people. However, I can understand their frustration. One of the reasons I left the UK was because of the gradual erosion of freedom and democracy by stealth. Perhaps it is time the politicians from all political views in the UK sat up and started to bring back some true democracy to the country, by speaking up for the people that they are supposed to represent rather than following party whips blindly. Ordinary people do not feel that they have a voice that can be heard.