York Mosque praised for offering EDL protesters tea
Islamophobia doesn't exist - well, no, that's a lie. Some people (Western governments) are afraid of Islam.
Have you ever thought that fearing Islam might be, well, a sane and rational response to an obvious freedom-hating and deeply totalitarian ideology?
Considering what the ideology actually teaches about unbelievers and women? If you're Jewish, you might have reason to fear Islam because of commonly held and scripturally-mandated opinions like these:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZR0FGYWYCg[/youtube]
(if you want to see scores of videos just like that from mainstream Arab TV, let me know)
I haven't posted the new Pat Condell video, so I'll do it here:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxGUkbsdCk4[/youtube]
I'm sure in India and in Pakistan there are plenty of clerics fomenting hatred against Hinduism, Hindus and India.
In fact, that's one of the defining characteristics of Islam - it dehumanises everyone that isn't Muslim.
Like anyone else who criticises the religion of peace I get my share of violent threats from single braincelled organisms masquerading as human beings. Indeed, to call some of my correspondents deranged and moronic would be excessively polite and, well, tantamount to flattery. Some of it, though, can be quite amusing. And this week I've been accused of singling out a billion Muslims. Well, I always say if you're going to single people out you might as well do it a billion at a time or you'll be there all day.
Seriously, if anybody knows how to single out a billion Muslims I'd be interested to hear the technique. It sounds tricky and complicated. If science could find a way to achieve it imagine where that technology might take us. After all, if you can single out a billion, surely you can single out a trillion. Imagine that, a trillion Muslims all nicely singled out and ready to go. It sounds absurd and impossible, doesn't it? So I'm sure we'll find the answer somewhere in quantum physics. Obviously, when I say "we", I won't be participating in the search myself because I'm an ignoramus, unfortunately, but I will be keen to use the technology when it becomes available so that I can safely and conveniently single out Muslims a billion or a trillion at a time whenever the need arises.
Another thing you're bound to hear if you criticise the religion of permanent offence is that sooner or later some pompous arse will grandly accuse you of having offended a billion Muslims, as if anybody's supposed to care. And it's always said with such laughable solemnity, as if a kind of sacred line has been crossed - "the one billion Muslim" line. Yeah, it's a line all right. Let me tell you something, if you've never offended a billion Muslims I recommend it. You can almost feel the shockwave going around the planet as two billion hands are thrown up in horror. Well, maybe not quite two billion when you take into account all the convicted shoplifters and other petty criminals, not to mention all the women who are afraid to do anything at all without their husband's permission because, if they do, they'll be beaten to a pulp, especially if they happen to live in the insane asylum we know as Pakistan, where 90% of women suffer regular domestic violence and 1000 women a year are murdered by members of their own family. Yet this doesn't seem to offend the "billion Muslims" any more than it offends "progressive" western feminists, who we know are far too politically correct and self-absorbed to give a damn.
One thing I've noticed is that these "billion Muslims" only ever seem to get really offended by trivial things like words and pictures, which are usually enough to bring, if not a billion, certainly thousands of them into the streets for an orgy of rioting and killing, for which we in the West have to take full responsibility and follow up with a round of apologising, appeasing and placating, when really we should be blaming the Jews. What do you mean you want evidence? Who needs evidence to blame Jews? Well, all right, if you insist.
Thanks to modern technology, much of it Israeli (no coincidence there, I feel), a person today can blaspheme on one side of the world and Muslims on the other side can know about it and be rioting and killing each other in seconds. Those crafty Jews. What will they think of next?
Actually, though, come to think of it, isn't that rather haram? Not rioting and killing each other, obviously, because that comes straight out of the mosque, with the full blessing of the clerics, and that would make them haram. If only. No, I'm talking about Israeli technology. How haram is that? That's got to be double haram with a cherry on top, minimum, surely. Ah, but luckily for the Muslim world, hypocrisy is not haram. It's very much halal. Indeed, it's a veritable staple among the frequently invoked "one billion Muslims" who are always offended by all the wrong things. They're not offended, for example, by a religion that sanctions marriage for pre-pubescent girls, or that punishes women for being raped. Not a whisper of protest there. Everybody's busy looking at the floor. Nor are they offended in the slightest, it seems, by the widespread persecution of gay people or religious minorities throughout the Muslim world. And this is because the people who typically invoke "a billion Muslims" are not offended by these things either, which is why the only response they truly deserve, and I hope the only response they will ever get, is a billion non-Muslim middle fingers. With all due respect.
Peace to everyone, and I hope I haven't singled out another "billion Muslims" with this video, but if I have, what can I say? In for a billion, in for a trillion.
These are few points I am making, notice I never mentioned the word Islam...
Ok, before I go into each point individually, first tell me -
Are you sure these are your points and this is how you would like to describe them? Would you like to change, rephrase or simplify some of them? Would you like to add a point? Are you sure these cannot be "misunderstood" as islamophobic? Think about it. If you are absolutely sure, only then answer the below questions, otherwise go back and make the necessary changes.
1. Why 'western countries'. Why neither Australia, nor 'the world'.
2. Which countries (in your opinion) constitute 'western countries'.
I live in a western country, Australia is a Western European orientated first world democracy where religion and state are kept separate. I consider similar types of countries experience similar problems from religious minority groups who impose their collective demands on the rest of the population. Islam is by no means the only example here. Religious bigots of a Christian persuasion in Australia influence public policy in relation to gay marriage, abortion and other issues.
We still have Christian bigots of our own in the UK, but their influence has sharply whittled away over the last 30 years. Specifically moralistic issues do get an airing in some sections of the socially conservative right-wing press, but even there it's dressed up in secular terms amd has been for years. Bring God into it and you alienate most of your readership - and this is the readership most friendly to religion.
In politics and other affairs, most politicians keep religion and politics separate, or aren't religious. You might get a few Tory MPs that mention God as the foundational basis for how they do things, but they're a minority. Northern Ireland is really the British hotspot for un-secular politics.
Why? Because actual Christian worship is now a minority sport in Britain. The religious slot on Radio 4's Today programme is regularly laughed at for its patronising pseudo-wisdom.
Hating Muslims is pointless and stupid. They are people, just like you and me./quote]
And some of them them are people who hijack commercial air flights and crash the planes into tall buildings filled with unarmed people.
When was the last time a bunch of Jews or Christians hijacked a plane and crashed it into a tall building?
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Terrorist acts make me angry. But the worst part of Islam is how it's eating its way into our culture and society, how it's corrupting our morals, how it makes it impossible to walk through a lot of neighborhoods without being harassed, how it's "dividing" our society between so called bigots and leftists.
Oil and water don't mix.
Are you sure these are your points and this is how you would like to describe them? Would you like to change, rephrase or simplify some of them? Would you like to add a point? Are you sure these cannot be "misunderstood" as islamophobic? Think about it. If you are absolutely sure, only then answer the below questions, otherwise go back and make the necessary changes.
1. Why 'western countries'. Why neither Australia, nor 'the world'.
2. Which countries (in your opinion) constitute 'western countries'.
I live in a western country, Australia is a Western European orientated first world democracy where religion and state are kept separate. I consider similar types of countries experience similar problems from religious minority groups who impose their collective demands on the rest of the population. Islam is by no means the only example here. Religious bigots of a Christian persuasion in Australia influence public policy in relation to gay marriage, abortion and other issues.
So does that mean a yes for the first question? Are you sure this is all that your point is in this thread, and nothing more and nothing less?
Yes, I know that Australia is a western country
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What is the single most frequent thought that aspies have?
How do NTs do that?
Because at the moment, Islam/Islamism's main enemy is 'the West'. In reality, though, it sees its enemies that it needs to conquer as the whole world. It's enemy is modernity, civilisation, freedom, secularism, tolerance, basically everything that makes being human good in this world.
sorry I didn't reply earlier I was on vacation and had no access to the internet. My church is a fairly large non denominational church in Lancaster, Pa. Our position on homosexuality is that while it is a sin being homosexual does not make you any worse of a human being than anyone else as we are all sinners. We do not, never have, and never will do any of the things these "poor oppressed victims" have accused us of. We have been very vocal about our members not being active in politics and while we are encouraged to vote we are not told in any way whom to vote for (our congregation is about 50/50 as far as liberal/conservative goes) so the claims that we have "manipulated local politics to be anti LGBT" have literally no basis in reality. Our stance on the legality of gay marriage is this: (from an email sent to our congregation by our senior pastor)
Next Sunday on March 10th there has been a rally planned by members of the local PRIDE organisation at our church during and after our usually scheduled services, the deacons and elders have discussed the situation and will not allow this to effect our planning except for to say this. We will be offering coffee, donuts, and the use of our shaded picnic area to any protesters who decide to vent their anger against us, any members of the congregation heard or seen to be interacting with the protesters in any way except in a manner that is loving and respectful will be kindly asked to leave the campus via the athletic fields so as to avoid your further spoiling the already tarnished image of what it means to be like Christ. Thank you to all for who agreed to show love to our brethren in the community by providing canopies,coffee, donuts or monetary contributions with which to purchase refreshments for our visitors. The elders and I would also like to thank everyone in advance for behaving respectfully and in a Christ like manner.
God Bless,
Beau Eckert- Senior Pastor
The event it self went perfectly our services were held as usual and in fact many of the protesters sat in on them (largely to get out of the rain as all the canopies and pavilions were filled) it wasn't until the next day when our church was covered in graffiti, litter, and several cars were revealed to have been vandalized that anyone had any misgivings.
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Next Sunday on March 10th there has been a rally planned by members of the local PRIDE organisation at our church during and after our usually scheduled services, the deacons and elders have discussed the situation and will not allow this to effect our planning except for to say this. We will be offering coffee, donuts, and the use of our shaded picnic area to any protesters who decide to vent their anger against us, any members of the congregation heard or seen to be interacting with the protesters in any way except in a manner that is loving and respectful will be kindly asked to leave the campus via the athletic fields so as to avoid your further spoiling the already tarnished image of what it means to be like Christ. Thank you to all for who agreed to show love to our brethren in the community by providing canopies,coffee, donuts or monetary contributions with which to purchase refreshments for our visitors. The elders and I would also like to thank everyone in advance for behaving respectfully and in a Christ like manner.
God Bless,
Beau Eckert- Senior Pastor
Thanks for the reply dude.
Now how beautiful is that!! This explains the exact reason why I don't dislike religious people even though I dislike religion. I mean this exemplifies it. I am really sorry that some people did not have the patience or the sense to see the difference between an enemy and a friend. I hope this never happens again to your church or to anyone ever again. And I hope that the media covers more of such positive stories. Your senior pastor is a wonderful kind of person.
Religion is changing. Religion is keeping up with the times. I wish that people realise and choose to see the change wherever it happens. To someone who's too blind to see it, I really don't know what to say.
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What is the single most frequent thought that aspies have?
How do NTs do that?
I don't dislike religious people that believe in keeping religion a private matter and do not force their beliefs on others (which is why I've got little time for the bloody Jehovah's Witnesses, although I'd never be rude to them unless they pushed their luck) or try to change liberal, secular societies to fit in with their paranoid, totalitarian religious ideal (and all three religions have problems with this, Christianity particularly so until very recently). The religious clerics in Britain - Christian, Jewish and Islamic - deliberately confuse secularism with atheism, and it's easy to see why. They are losing their grip over people, and they don't like that.
I am an atheist and a secularist. I've met many religious secularists (although they're mostly all Christian). Christian secularists are grateful for secularism precisely because it means that they can practice their religion without having other religions (or other sects inside their religion) forcing their religion down their throat - unwanted - you know, a bit like what some Catholic priests used to do to small boys. There are secular Jews and no doubt lots of secular Hindus (the Hindu community in Britain seems to be doing this a lot now, and it's come to a point where to a lot of Hindus, religion isn't a big deal). There are secular Muslims, but they seem to be much quieter, which is sort of understandable given their circumstances.
Are you sure these are your points and this is how you would like to describe them? Would you like to change, rephrase or simplify some of them? Would you like to add a point? Are you sure these cannot be "misunderstood" as islamophobic? Think about it. If you are absolutely sure, only then answer the below questions, otherwise go back and make the necessary changes.
1. Why 'western countries'. Why neither Australia, nor 'the world'.
2. Which countries (in your opinion) constitute 'western countries'.
I live in a western country, Australia is a Western European orientated first world democracy where religion and state are kept separate. I consider similar types of countries experience similar problems from religious minority groups who impose their collective demands on the rest of the population. Islam is by no means the only example here. Religious bigots of a Christian persuasion in Australia influence public policy in relation to gay marriage, abortion and other issues.
So does that mean a yes for the first question? Are you sure this is all that your point is in this thread, and nothing more and nothing less?
Yes, I know that Australia is a western country
I think I already answered both your questions,
1. Australia is part of the west
2. Countries with majority western European population - you need to learn to read people's posts rather than layering this thread with your opinions.
He doesn't need to read EDL-type sites. There are sites out there (like Student Rights or Harry's Place) that are quite left-wing yet critical of Islamism (whilst not shoving all Muslims into the same box) whilst not necessarily being against mass immigration or the EU, and that are fairly left-wing. He could read Anne Marie-Waters or Gita Saghal, two women that work for women's rights and are about as un-bigoted as you can get - both are anti-Sharia, by the way. Neither of those two could even remotely credibly be called Islamophobic, although the Islamists call everyone that criticises anything remotely to do with Islam, and sometimes even the most bigoted of the extremists or terrorists, Islamophobic.
Basically, he should read up on what exactly is happening in the West. The horror of what's happening to docile Sweden and the Swedes, for example, is an abject lesson for any country.
