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22 Jun 2015, 2:35 pm

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The fact that white police officers can kill blacks without cause - then get away with it, all the time praised by the media right - shows how blacks are still being treated badly. "Throwing" slavery into the faces of whites hardly compares.

No, it doesn't compare----but, blacks are doing alot more than that. Of COURSE they're not hangin' a white person in a tree, everyday----but, then, they'd get thrown in the clink, for that..... A person can be verbally abused to the point they can't take it anymore, and retaliate----and, unfortunately, I'm afraid that MAY be what's causing the police brutality----and, maybe even, a catalyst for Roof's actions.....

Really? Really? I think maybe you should reread and re-access what you had just written, because it definitely sounds like blaming the victim, and justifying the actions of not only bullies with badges, but also those of a racist psychopath.

I don't need to re-assess what I've just written----sometimes a victim DOES play a part in the treatment they receive----SOMETIMES. As I have said before, in conversation with you, I've seen several black people get arrested, and the first thing out of their mouth is, something to the effect of: "Always tryin' to keep a n***a, down".

Since I have discussed this with you innumerous times, before----and, it's quite obvious neither of us are going to change our minds----I'll not be continuing this discussion, with you.....

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22 Jun 2015, 2:36 pm

Do you think it will come to that? I hope no on swings from trees anymore.

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ASDers, though, for instance, know that abuse / oppression isn't always physical----and, white people, right now, are feeling verbally abused by blacks----GENERALLY speaking, of course----and, they're starting to retaliate, and I've seen the dark cloud, overhead, for some time now.....[/b][/color]

No doubt. But I seriously would not compare autism to slavery. No one has ever wilfully acted to harm me because of my autism. (That's not to say I haven't been wronged, but it was due to ignorance, not hate.)

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22 Jun 2015, 2:43 pm

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...a victim DOES play a part in the treatment they receive----SOMETIMES.

True, but the victimizer is just as culpable.

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22 Jun 2015, 3:37 pm

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22 Jun 2015, 11:38 pm

I think, as we live in a civilized society, the onus is always on the perpetrator to not perpetrate.

If they can't resist, that means they can't be trusted in civil society, and need to go into a time out.

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23 Jun 2015, 12:11 am

I've seen a lot of confusion on one point, and this should help clear it up:

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/19/us/ch ... g-suspect/

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On Thursday, investigators did a trace of the handgun used in Wednesday's shooting and determined that it was a .45-caliber handgun Roof purchased from a Charleston gun store in April, two law enforcement officials told CNN's Perez and Bruer.

Roof purchased a Glock .45-caliber model 41, which holds 13 rounds, a federal law enforcement source with knowledge of the investigation said. Witnesses have reported that Roof reloaded a number of times.

Roof's father and uncle contacted police after surveillance camera images of the suspect were made public, according to the arrest warrant. His father told authorities his son owned a .45-caliber handgun.

Joe Roof, his grandfather, said Roof was given "birthday money" and that the family didn't know what he did with it.

Bold is mine.

He wasn't given the gun, as has been reported, he was given money, which he used to legally purchase it, including passing the background check.

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23 Jun 2015, 12:14 am

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He wasn't given the gun, as has been reported, he was given money, which he used to legally purchase it, including passing the background check.

Perhaps the issue is in even distribution of mental health services.

And perhaps regulations that would preclude him from buying a firearm because he is barking mad.

Not that being barking mad absolves him in this situations. He's as culpable as tim mcveigh.

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23 Jun 2015, 1:17 am

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And perhaps regulations that would preclude him from buying a firearm because he is barking mad.

Is there any legal proof of that? You can't infringe upon constitutional rights without very good reason, and as far as I know, there was no documented mental illness in this case.

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23 Jun 2015, 10:46 am

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Another way of sayng "I can't find where you said gunz are a fix-all but I can't bring myself to admit I was wrong".

I don't know if I'm right or wrong and I'm not that concerned about it.

You're the one that brought it up so don't run to momma now.

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Slavery ended 150 years ago. If there are repercussions it'll only be using slavery as an excuse. I can't see a bloodbath happening but if there were I would think it would be rather lopsided.

I don't agree that 150 years is enough time to have recovered from slavery. That's only 2 or 3 generations back. And the transition to equality has not been smooth. I think you are naive to think enough time has passed.

To liberals even 1500 years isn't long enough. Anything to keep the fires of unrest burning.
Whatever, but they're not getting an apology or any special consideration from me.

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"Dude, chill out."
Please.... :roll:

Seriously, this argument isn't about you or your transcript, it's about ideas.

I've read every page of this thread it and it's mostly just mud slinging.

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23 Jun 2015, 10:58 am

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Perhaps the issue is in even distribution of mental health services.

Even if there was there would still be a stigma related to mental health and that kind of thing can follow you around.

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And perhaps regulations that would preclude him from buying a firearm because he is barking mad.

I'm batshit crazy but have bought lots of guns without doing anything or intending to do like what he did. Unless there is something that would show up in NICS, how is the gun shop supposed to know?

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Not that being barking mad absolves him in this situations. He's as culpable as tim mcveigh.

I agree with you on this. I don't buy that insanity plea BS for a second even if it's 100% true. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

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23 Jun 2015, 1:36 pm

Raptor wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

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Another way of sayng "I can't find where you said gunz are a fix-all but I can't bring myself to admit I was wrong".

I don't know if I'm right or wrong and I'm not that concerned about it.

You're the one that brought it up so don't run to momma now.

Grow up.

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23 Jun 2015, 5:35 pm

androbot01 wrote:

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androbot01 wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Another way of sayng "I can't find where you said gunz are a fix-all but I can't bring myself to admit I was wrong".

I don't know if I'm right or wrong and I'm not that concerned about it.

You're the one that brought it up so don't run to momma now.

Grow up.

You're saying now that you didn't bring it up?

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23 Jun 2015, 5:46 pm

Raptor wrote:

androbot01 wrote:

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Raptor wrote:

Another way of sayng "I can't find where you said gunz are a fix-all but I can't bring myself to admit I was wrong".

I don't know if I'm right or wrong and I'm not that concerned about it.

You're the one that brought it up so don't run to momma now.

Grow up.

You're saying now that you didn't bring it up?

Is this embarrassing exchange regarding whether or not you claimed that concealed weapons always prevent tragedies, cause I'll take your word that you didn't. Nothing is absolute, danger cannot be eliminated all the time.

I think removal of the confederate flag would be helpful.

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23 Jun 2015, 7:20 pm

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Perhaps the issue is in even distribution of mental health services.

Even if there was there would still be a stigma related to mental health and that kind of thing can follow you around.

The comments from family and friends indicate that they knew something was wrong with him. Some of them had a pretty clear idea of what is wrong with him.

I'll bet a lot of his relatives file for legal name changes over the next few years. That kind of thing can follow you around.

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And perhaps regulations that would preclude him from buying a firearm because he is barking mad.

I'm batshit crazy but have bought lots of guns without doing anything or intending to do like what he did. Unless there is something that would show up in NICS, how is the gun shop supposed to know?

By putting something in NICS that indicates you have violent tendencies and spend a lot of time muttering about starting a race war.

We could see this change in our lifetime. Take for example that suicidal pilot in Germany. His doctor knew he shouldn't be flying. Told him not to. Maybe he should have been required to inform airport security.

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23 Jun 2015, 8:42 pm

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...By putting something in NICS that indicates you have violent tendencies and spend a lot of time muttering about starting a race war....

In the United States, a citizen's constitutional rights and liberties can't be restricted without due process. Regarding the Second Amendment, a citizen's right to keep and bear arms is only restricted if and when a court has adjudicated the citizen "as a mental defective" or involuntarily "committed to a mental institution" ( https://www.atf.gov/file/58791/download ). Publishing a citizen's "violent tendencies and spend[ing] a lot of time muttering about starting a race war" would be an unconstitutional violation of privacy and irrelevant to the NICS system without such an adjudication or commitment.

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24 Jun 2015, 2:43 am

blauSamstag wrote:

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I'm batshit crazy but have bought lots of guns without doing anything or intending to do like what he did. Unless there is something that would show up in NICS, how is the gun shop supposed to know?

By putting something in NICS that indicates you have violent tendencies and spend a lot of time muttering about starting a race war.

Legally define "violent tendencies" and how that would play out with NICS. It only covers a limited number of issues (warrants, restraining orders, prior convictions, etc.) To further burden the system with such vage charges as "violent tendencies" is going out on a limb too far.

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We could see this change in our lifetime. Take for example that suicidal pilot in Germany. His doctor knew he shouldn't be flying. Told him not to. Maybe he should have been required to inform airport security.

It's all in the details of the law and what's actually fair to expect. No matter what, s**t still happens.

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