Sex crimes in Europe by North African and Arab men

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Very 2016 view of problems. Some fraternity mistreats women or puts a noose on a bus, a long list of history of fraternal misbehavoir is trotted out and all fraternaties are branded as racist MRI's, Adam Lanza an Aspie shoots up an elementry school, a few other other alleged Aspies committ spree shootings and now autism is in a list of inclusion in a database for automatic background checks, employers grow even more fearful of hiring us,bullying etc.

I can see that you didn't bother to even skim the first link from Khaled Diab, "The Arab myth of western women." Your loss. Should you (or anyone else who reads this) happen to read that piece, you may find the companion piece that it links to, "The western myth of Arab men," is also quite interesting.

Weird polarizing in this thread: On the one hand you have Jacoby and HisMom, singing of the inevitable global Khalifa from the Wahabi supremacist songbook, and on the other hand you are here saying there is no evidence that there is any sort of problem with male sexual assaults on women in MENA cultures... and somehow concluding that people who recognize the problem of male sexual violence in that region are somehow part of the mindset that tags all aspies as potential Adam Lanzas.

Fascinating.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35310810

What you have me saying are a few things over the course of this thread, none of it is saying there is no larger problem.

1. Main thing I am saying do not automatically ascribe larger cultural issues to every indidividual incident whether it's a mass sexual assault or an every individual confrontation between a white cop and black civilian in America. Bad group "culture" exits, racist bully cops culture exists, but to looking group first as has been the response to Colonge has lead to bad things time and time again, so one should be really, really careful about going down that road.

2. The core issue most of the time in rape is a sense of entitlement to another persons body so that is place if you are looking for causes you look there first. Are roving mobs of muslim predators the reason most women fear going to at lot of places alone in America with our "civilized" values? When you look for exacerbating factors which in the case of of mob violence and sexual assault is usually alcohol and drugs, groupthink, bad conditions,lack of response by authorities which the last two in the case of a place overwhelmed by refugees are legitimate places to look.

3. In another thread I do see a large problem of radical Islam, identitify a main cause of the problem, and advocate for a strong, radical, controversial action to start solving the problem.

These attacks are not the only thing that have happened in Germany, this is widespread and unending

this will not be normal

there are hundreds of stories like all over the EU but the complicit media won't report it

Germany has let in over a million people to the country en masse with millions more to follow, things are only going to get worse

But it's not automatic and there is plenty of evidence of a larger cultural issue. You take men from cultures where the state says it's OK to force sex on infidel girls and women taken as spoils of war (Syria and Iraq under IS rule) or from cultures that say a woman is behaving like a prostitute if she allows men to see her hair or if her niqab is insufficiently opaque, or that she should never be in public without a male escort and so on and on, and transpose them into Germany, England, France, Austira, Switzerland, Denmark, Sweden, Belgium or Finland (the places where these "individual incidents" took place) and a problem with sexual harassment or assault is likely.

Recognizing this is not signing on to Nazi ideology or advocating stupid responses. It is unethical to ask women in these countries to accept a heightened risk of sexual harassment, assault or rape because to do anything about it might be construed as racist or nazi. What is needed is to look carefully at why this is happening (and culture does seem to be part of the problem, or else why weren't all the non-MENA men with rapist tendencies out there doing the same thing?) and then intelligently address that part of the problem.

I see the cultural and racial issues evident in these New Year's Eve sexual assaults as directly related to the issues that came up in the Rotherham abuse cases in England. The ideas Yasmin Alibhai-Brown expressed about those crimes are very applicable to these cases, too:





http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 92497.html

Those who have been identified have been identified mainly due to prior records, and mostly it is not so clear whether they have done anything, and what they have done or whether they just happened to be part of the crowd. So this "result" does not mean that much; after all the police is under a lot of pressure. By the way: there have been so far as I know only 1 or 2 rapes in Cologne. Of which the police said that they are juridically speaking rapes (I guess they mean fingers in body holes).

I am not sure whether there wouldnt be similar problems with white men in similar situations, after all white men, too, have a lot of frustration with women (you just have to look at the threads on Wrongplanet). But sure, the magnitude is bigger with people from Arab and some other countries, regions or communities, because there IS also a cultural problem. The short answer is: People in Arab countries are raised to look down upon women dressed like we are, and going around everywhere, also in crowdy places and without a male family member, so at least when drunk, men tend to consider us as whores.

In order to understand the cultural aspects better, though, one has to find the answer to the question why the culture in those countries has become what it is. It has a lot to do with climate change and resources getting scarcer and scarcer, and the effect this has on cultures and civilization. Unfortunately I cant find the source anymore where this has been argued well that it is not just the raising demand for technical achievements in social organization, agriculture and arms, but that it has repercussion on social control mechanisms (family clan building, suppression of women, inititaion rites, cruelty in childraising).

If I say it like this, it is quite evident for neurotypics, what I am up to, but I guess an Asperger needs to go more into the details (plus quotes from manuscripts, archeologic troves) in order to get an equally good picture of the whole. I therefore try to trace one line, drawing most probably more on Freud in my own little variant than on the original source I have in mind.

With resources getting scarce, it becomes more important to have a bigger family clan, because this provides an advantage in terms of defending one s own property against others, therefore polygamy. Women have to be hindered to go away, therefore repression and dependance. Women get angry at men (the so-called penis envy is better to be described as penis rage, believe me, I know what I am talking about, it is a very strong feeling), in particular if they have little children. This rage, if not understood and controlled, can lead to anxiety in the not yet-neurologically matured male baby and toddler, as he can understand the rage and nature of the rage of his mother, but not the reasons for this rage (the castration fear). So there are neurologic side effects. In order to ban this fear, circumcision of men is practiced, which has its own ambivalent effects. With the rage and anxiety level of man towards women and of women towards men raising, the subordination of women and the corresponding averse effects on men are raising, because women need to be protected against the rage of men. Protection concerns become the most repressive factor. In harsher cultures, women are circumcised, too.

Actually, I don't give a damn why these rabid beasts behave towards women as they do. They can do whatever they want in their own hell holes of "homelands". However, once they get into a new country, they need to get over it and adopt the norms and the cultures of their new home-lands. At the very least, they should desist from acting on their animal instincts and indulging in the violent crimes that their "religion of peace" allows them to indulge in towards Kufar populations.

It is this shocking lack of respect for their hosts and their sheer ingratitude in "going after those who have shown them kindness" that makes these creatures sub-human SCUM. I am not saying that it is OK for them to abuse their own women or children, but if their women opt to voluntarily cover themselves up, share their men with 10 other women, and live in filthy squalor with a dozen children each, then that's their choice. Just don't come into Europe or America or anywhere else and tell local women to either adopt your 7th century norms or to become victims of sexual assault.

If anything bothers me more than these people wanting to pray during the workday on the employer's dime, it's their wanton assault of the "Kufar woman" who they deem as whores / spoils of "war". Very manly indeed, going after an unarmed woman. These "men" would never dare to go after a female cop in uniform. Bunch of cowards and pansies.

So, yes, my answer to your long-winded explanation of why these men are such a**holes is "I don't care, go back to your own hell holes and live out your culture in said wasteland. OR die. Your choice."

How is bieng uber careful about ascribing individual incidents to a group or culture equivilent to accepting sexual assault?

Individual incidents ? There were over a 100 assaults that were reported that night (and presumably at least several more that were not reported). How do such mass assaults translate to merely "individual incidents" ? Of course the fact that the perps were North African or Arab, presumably adherents of a well-known misogynistic culture, is immaterial. Aye ?

Apparently, Denial has many tributaries.

Just don't be too surprised when the day comes when you dare not send out your daughters / nieces / granddaughters from their home without a whole body cover, AND a male mahram chaperon.

At least, bro, you were adequately warned, but just chose to take a swim in the afore-mentioned tributary.

There are 500 reports, but I am using the Colonge Assaults as an "individual incident" not using individual incendent as incidents committed by individuals.

And none of these incidents involved Cologne. If somebody says I rape western women because they are whores then the main reason for thier sense of entitlement is obvoius. I have seen quotes from several Cologne suspects which are along the lines of you have to be nice to me Mrs. Merkle invited me. Quite the sense of entitlement.

Mrs. Merkel invited them to attack the German women and launch assorted criminal enterprises ?

Apparently, there was a miscommunication between Mrs. Merkel and these rabid beasts. So, since it was all a huge misunderstanding to begin with, can they please please please all be sent back to their wastelands ? Please, pretty please ?

The people who had the job of protecting the United Kingdom's children in Rotherham were uber careful about not ascribing individual incidents to a group or culture.

As a result, thousands of English girls, some as young as 11, were brutally gang raped, drugged, beaten and forced into prostitution. These abuses went on for years while police and social workers were uber careful not to acknowledge a pattern that was plainly evident.

If you don't try to deal with the problem, then nothing will be done.

There has to be some middle ground between denying that this problem is there and declaring jihad on all muslims and imposing sharia in order to avoid living under Islam.... or "sending them all home and closing the borders"

Send the perps home. Teach new arrivals the basic rules of their new civic circumstances. Protect the citizenry from those first and second generation members of the immigrant population who advocate illegal behavior or would unlawfully restrict the rights of others in their new societies.

At times, this thread reminds me depressingly of the people who are the subject of this:

HisMom, we must agree to disagree on these matters.

I understand that you think Europe should abandon the defining beliefs and practices of modern civilization in order to fight the medievalism of a tiny minority of a minority population within it. I disagree.

I understand that you believe that the demographic trends of the present represent a threat to Europe's future. If population rates were invariable and could be extrapolated with simple linear equations, I would agree, but history suggests that they will change.

I understand that you are obsessively focused on the negative aspect of a lunatic fringe, even as the majority of people give less and less credence to anything remotely like the beliefs of that fringe. While I agree that the nastiness is compelling, I think it needs to be kept in perspective.

You may call it denial, I see it as a rational appraisal of the facts.

More propaganda:
http://humanistlife.org.uk/2015/11/23/w ... nst-islam/

Netanyahu says a lot of things that aren't true. You're talking about the same guy who put it in W. Bush's empty head that Saddam was making nukes.

I don't see how Muslim immigration poses any threat to European Jews. I mean, I have Jewish friends. The whole "Muslims hate Jews" thing is a huge exaggeration by the media.