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15 Dec 2016, 10:26 pm

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Organ eating ??What kind of organs?Human? I'm guessing you're not talking about fried chicken livers and gizzards,I'm guilty of that.Just give me some hot sauce and I'll devour a bucket full
I think Romans 3:10 sums up the majority of politicians nicely.

Ick! :eew:
I cant stand to even think about eating those.
I love good fried chicken (who doesn't?) but I draw the line at innards .

Guess you're not big on chitlins. :D What about hog rinds(pig skins) or pickled pigs feet?
They have giant five lb containers full of rinds at the grocery store for the holidays.
They pair well with an ice cold Coke.

I eat pork rinds all the time. No on the other two.


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16 Dec 2016, 1:37 am

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C'mon guys, assassination? We're better than that.


We're just bullsh*ting.


Tell it to the Secret Service when they are checking out potential threats before The Donald visits Spokane.
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Good, it'll give me more street cred as a liberal. :lol:


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16 Dec 2016, 1:39 am

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Name one President you can't find fault with. Despite all of Obama's faults, he will be remembered for specific accomplishments. Even your hero, Trump, is speaking kindly of the President these days.

I expect to find fault. I don't expect a republican president or candidate to give a s**t about what I want but about mine and other like-minded peoples votes. I have no illusions about "the best man for the job" and I've never been into hero worship. I'm a cynic and a pragmatist and everything is looked at through those two lenses when dealing with most people, especially politicians.

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I brought LBJ up as an example. Maybe the civil rights movement would have proceeded without him, but not nearly as quick or with such deliberateness. Even civil rights leaders who lived through those days say as much.
What to those civil rights leaders have to say about Vietnam? Oh, that's right; all of them and thier minions were safe over here evading service and/or protesting something or other.

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No, I'm not boycotting you, Skippy. I'm parrying your thrusts and jabs.

You're the one that keeps crying foul every few weeks.
"He's cruel"
"He's a bully"
"He's a troll"
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As for your next post: why do you assume the worse and think Obama only fought for marriage equality for LGBT votes? Can't you consider the possibility that he honestly cared about a group of Americans who had been denied the right to marry who ever they love?

Read again what i said above about politicians.

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What if someone said you couldn't love that Nazi she-wolf, Mrs Raptor?

No one's gonna get between me and mein liebchen Gertrude. :x
Your buddy Meistersinger doesnt like her. He's the one that gave me the name McGee which makes a usable last name for Skippy.

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Be nice, and I won't call you a bully or a troll. I don't recall ever calling you cruel.


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16 Dec 2016, 1:41 am

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So one of the only pure things was when you fought each other? Lol. It'd be nice if that was all true about WWII. Things aren't as simple as that.
Are you serious? Obama has done bombed innocent civilians across the world, supported numerous massacres and wars as well as funding organ eating head chopping child rapists because his masters are against any Arab nationalists. Obama should be locked up with Bush and the rest of them.


And those Arab nationalists haven't done bad things ever?


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16 Dec 2016, 2:22 am

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But disloyal conservatives like Hucksterby has been singing his praises at the detriment of our elected President, especially in regard to Putin's homophobia contrasted with Obama's actions to include the LGBT community into mainstream American society.

Oh please! :roll: :roll:
The LGBT community was included in mainstream American society before your buddy Obama came along. Anything they got on account of him, real or imagined, they were destined to get anyway.

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That's like saying LBJ didn't deserve credit for civil rights legislation, because it was inevitable anyway. Maybe so, but it can only happen when a particular President leads the way in either case. Maybe someone else would have signed civil rights legislation into being, maybe someone else would have pushed for the legalization of gay marriage, but it was Johnson and Obama who made history by doing it first.
By the way, with the homophobic forces of reaction, such as that led by Franklin Graham (cracker) and Mike Huckersterby, and those family values groups having such influence in red state America, LGBT rights were hardly a forgone conclusion. Today, trans Americans hardly have the acceptance of mainstream America that they deserve.


Defending an oaf...how nice.

The most oppressed minority in this country is (wait for it) obviously black people...in all aspects of their lives.

But the most important thing they've been shorted on is the most important thing that could lead to their civil growth:

BETTER SCHOOLING...I doubt many would disagree. And yet, in his 8 years of freeloading, what has he done to advance learning opportunities for black people????? This scum bag will rip off the American people to the tune of 4 million dollars for a round of golf with a nobody, while he turns his back on the poor and disadvantaged. He's nothing but a selfish pig, just like the rest of them.

And trillions are added to the national debt while anyone trying to save money will find they're forced to play the stock market while Obama's Fed gives money to big business at 0% to force the stock market higher and higher. What a swine (my apologies to all the honest swine).


Funny how you conservatives damn Obama for not helping black people. When he was first elected, your leaders like Rush Limbaugh were damning him for favoring blacks. Can't win with you people.


There, you've gone ahead and done it: Now you have both of my parents spinning in their graves.

In my recollection I am the first person in my entire family, going back as far as I can remember, who did not vote for the Democrat candidate...that includes both my parents and grandparents (couldn't vote for Trump either).

When I was around 7 years old, after watching a little black kid being assaulted (and injured) by a big pig of a cracker for using the "White's only" water fountain, my parents carefully explained the equality/inequality/race relations issue to me. It made quite an impression on me and I've had many years to investigate the subject.

But you just don't get it. YOU feel that holding on to our corrupt form of unequal government, as epitomized by Obama, Clinton and the rest of the "Royal family" is somehow "progressive"? What are you thinking???? These are war mongers you promote and protect....it's as obvious as the nose on your face; they are in the business of killing people every day...don't you read newspapers or something? Don't you know Progressive means change and this is exactly what your masters DON'T want.

So please take your unjust and inaccurate "labels" and point them at yourself and the Democratic party where they belong and try to see past the "boogy man" image those (traitors), who would act against our form of freely elected government, puke out for you. These bastards are truly afraid of a Progressive candidate who might overturn the sacred "apple cart" (kind of like John Kennedy) they expect to hand down (in royal succession) to their children.

And you complain about REPUBLICANS not being Progressive...what a joke....are your shackles comfortable enough for you????? Ha, ha, ha, ha,...that's so funny.

Your comment "..your leaders like Rush Limbaugh.." shows us you seem to be caught in some kind of Democrat "time loop" and you're just using such things to create dissension. Too bad.


Well then, in the words of the great Steve Martin: "Well, EXCUUUUUUUUSE ME!"


:D :D :D Actually I think that was OBAMA'S comment each time he used a load of cruise missiles and carpet bombs on the women and children of the of various fighters each time they attacked them (kind of reminded me about that little black kid with his face smashed in by that bully).

Sort of grotesque and not funny at all in my estimation; sorry I don't feel the way you do about these people getting killed. But I think I know the reason for this (in general)....I think it has something to do with what's called "entertainment" these days....

For example "zombie" movies...what are these besides killing people in gruesome ways. And look at all the war games you kids grow up on...more non-stop violence. These things are more real to many people than a war, killing real people overseas somewhere.

They become desensitized to others suffering, I'm sure, so laughing at these atrocities is like believing these things aren't happening every day, in your name (and let's you laugh about it). So sad. Not funny at all.



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16 Dec 2016, 2:57 am

^^^
I actually never played much of video games growing up. And the zombie thing's fifteen minutes is about up, me thinks.


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16 Dec 2016, 9:01 am

"They need to either stop talking about this or finally present some sort of proof," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38341569

Wait, there's still no actual proof?



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16 Dec 2016, 9:10 am

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"They need to either stop talking about this or finally present some sort of proof," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38341569

Wait, there's still no actual proof?


The CIA and the FBI agree that the Russians were the ones who hacked, they disagree about Putin's motives. I find it odd that all of a sudden because Trump says so, the CIA is no longer trustworthy. Putin is just trying trying to play up the discord. Destroy from within - a weak America is what Russia wants.



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16 Dec 2016, 9:27 am

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"They need to either stop talking about this or finally present some sort of proof," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38341569

Wait, there's still no actual proof?


The CIA and the FBI agree that the Russians were the ones who hacked, they disagree about Putin's motives. I find it odd that all of a sudden because Trump says so, the CIA is no longer trustworthy. Putin is just trying trying to play up the discord. Destroy from within - a weak America is what Russia wants.


Agreeing isn't proof.

Didn't those same agencies agree that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction to nuke America?

I want hard cold proof. Names, places, dates, data. I want to see the perpetrator on a Wanted poster. You know, the standard procedures when it's been proven a crime has been committed. What's the deal here? Are they holding up until after the 19th when the Electoral College submits their votes?



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16 Dec 2016, 9:32 am

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"They need to either stop talking about this or finally present some sort of proof," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38341569

Wait, there's still no actual proof?


The CIA and the FBI agree that the Russians were the ones who hacked, they disagree about Putin's motives. I find it odd that all of a sudden because Trump says so, the CIA is no longer trustworthy. Putin is just trying trying to play up the discord. Destroy from within - a weak America is what Russia wants.


Agreeing isn't proof.

Didn't those same agencies agree that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction to nuke America?

I want hard cold proof. Names, places, dates, data. I want to see the perpetrator on a Wanted poster. You know, the standard procedures when it's been proven a crime has been committed. What's the deal here? Are they holding up until after the 19th when the Electoral College submits their votes?


Yes, the CIA should disclose it's information to every 16 year old who demands it. That's ridiculous. If such a demand is being made, and it is, not only by you, than it doesn't really matter what the proof is, Russia has already won because Americans have lost faith in their own government. Divide and conquer. I guess we have the Bush/Cheney administration to blame for this.

I'm hoping Cheney and Trump go on a hunting trip.



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16 Dec 2016, 9:43 am

androbot01 wrote:
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"They need to either stop talking about this or finally present some sort of proof," Russian President Vladimir Putin's spokesman said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38341569

Wait, there's still no actual proof?


The CIA and the FBI agree that the Russians were the ones who hacked, they disagree about Putin's motives. I find it odd that all of a sudden because Trump says so, the CIA is no longer trustworthy. Putin is just trying trying to play up the discord. Destroy from within - a weak America is what Russia wants.


Agreeing isn't proof.

Didn't those same agencies agree that Saddam Hussein had Weapons of Mass Destruction to nuke America?

I want hard cold proof. Names, places, dates, data. I want to see the perpetrator on a Wanted poster. You know, the standard procedures when it's been proven a crime has been committed. What's the deal here? Are they holding up until after the 19th when the Electoral College submits their votes?


Yes, the CIA should disclose it's information to every 16 year old who demands it. That's ridiculous.


Yes, you're right, that's a ridiculous statement. And what are you doing here, age discrimination?

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If such a demand is being made, and it is, not only by you


Of course not only by me. US law states: Innocent until Proven Guilty. Until a crime has been proven beyond any and all reasonable doubt, said crimes are only alleged crimes and suspected perpetrators are only alleged perpetrators.

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than it doesn't really matter what the proof is


According to the law, it does.

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Russia has already won because Americans have lost faith in their own government. Divide and conquer. I guess we have the Bush/Cheney administration to blame for this.


Rumor, speculation, inuindo and sensationalism. I knows big words for a little kid huh?

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I'm hoping Cheney and Trump go on a hunting trip.


Oh gee, why is that? Please specify exactly what you're trying to say.



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16 Dec 2016, 9:51 am

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Yes, you're right, that's a ridiculous statement. And what are you doing here, age discrimination?

You are entitled to express your opinion, but my point is that the CIA does not disclose evidence. It is a secret agency.

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Of course not only by be. US law states: Innocent until Proven Guilty. Until a crime has been proven beyond ant reasonable doubt, said crimes are only alleged crimes and suspected perpetrators are only alleged perpetrators.

That's criminal law, it does not apply to foreign states.
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Rumor, speculation, inuindo and sensationalism. I knows big words for a little kid huh?

Three out of four, innuendo is a toughie.

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I'm hoping Cheney and Trump go on a hunting trip.


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Oh gee, why is that? Please specify exactly what you're trying to say.

That Pence isn't looking so bad after all.



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16 Dec 2016, 10:04 am

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Yes, you're right, that's a ridiculous statement. And what are you doing here, age discrimination?

You are entitled to express your opinion, but my point is that the CIA does not disclose evidence. It is a secret agency.


Which of course is only your opinion, rather than an actual fact. You know like those fact thingies I pointed out. And the CIA is not a secret agency. Everybody knows who they are. Now they do perform secret operations, and when those operations are completed, they present solid evidence of their findings. That's how the system normally works. Really.

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Of course not only by be. US law states: Innocent until Proven Guilty. Until a crime has been proven beyond ant reasonable doubt, said crimes are only alleged crimes and suspected perpetrators are only alleged perpetrators.


That's criminal law, it does not apply to foreign states.


Since when does US jurisprudence not apply to a crime committed against citizens of the United States?

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Rumor, speculation, inuindo and sensationalism. I knows big words for a little kid huh?


Three out of four, innuendo is a toughie.


Okay I walked into that one. :P

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I'm hoping Cheney and Trump go on a hunting trip.
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Oh gee, why is that? Please specify exactly what you're trying to say.
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That Pence isn't looking so bad after all.

Us autistic folks aren't always so good with hints and drifts. So what are you saying exactly?



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16 Dec 2016, 10:21 am

If there's one thing about Obama: he has an enormous ego.

He really doesn't want to look stupid; he has an "image" to uphold.

I don't think he would, publicly, state that the Russians were hacking our elections unless he had some sort of verifiable proof that this occurred.



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16 Dec 2016, 10:33 am

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^^^
I actually never played much of video games growing up. And the zombie thing's fifteen minutes is about up, me thinks.


Remember this?:

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"C'mon guys, assassination? We're better than that."

And you wrote back:

"We're just bullsh*ting."

You now think talking of assassinations is as normal as drinking a cup of water; maybe even a funny subject to talk and speculate about (?)...that's sick, but you don't even notice it anymore. In fact you get the impression that this is perfectly normal and all the killing hate directed toward our President Elect is somehow justified, following the lead of those you've been taught to trust.

Do me a favor? Read that old Stephen King novel: Needful Things. It spells out the actions of a master manipulator and how he uses people by manipulating them by using insights into their personalities...the way you and others have been manipulated by Hillary and her friends. LOTS of friends...we spend half of our entire budget on war and it's weapons.

Imagine the schools and hospitals we'd have if this were not true (Gosh: We'd need to work with terrible dictators we don't even like. BooHoo...poor us. Better to follow Obama's and Clinton's lead and just hate them...right?).

I just find it hard to imagine why a person with HEART, such as yourself, can be so flippantly blinded to the suffering and deaths of so many innocent people, and the destruction of our economy for personal gain. The record of these killings is now our National History and Obama's and Clinton's legacy.

And then, perhaps, people seem to need to justify all this killing done in their name (while they stood mute and idle) so they won't look at themselves and see the creature they've become (present company excepted, of course).

Can you see past the propaganda fed to you each day? Do you know when you're being told the truth? You don't have to say "Pardon me" each time you're offensive... you're just uninformed and have had "the wool pulled over your eyes."

Perhaps soon you will be able to tell the difference between pinching someone butt...or firing them unnecessarily....and killing innocent women and children...then you'll be able to make your own choice.



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16 Dec 2016, 10:35 am

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If there's one thing about Obama: he has an enormous ego.

He really doesn't want to look stupid; he has an "image" to uphold.

I don't think he would, publicly, state that the Russians were hacking our elections unless he had some sort of verifiable proof that this occurred.


I don't disagree with that analysis, but that still isn't proof of anything. I'm not even particularly doubtful of the alleged findings. I'm just wondering what's actually going on, because it sure doesn't look like normal procedure. I'm forced to agree with Mr. Putin, they need to either put up or shut up. Again, why are they dragging this out? Eventually the facts will be presented, but why drag it out like this?

What I'm insinuating is, that something that they knew about months ago according to them, is being made a big deal of right now and being dragged out until the Electors cast their votes on December 19th. And I mean if my pure speculation is the actual plan, it seems very transparent.

The irony of sabotaging an election based on sabotage.