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23 Dec 2016, 4:34 am

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I'm leaning towards at least a percentage of the man made global warming theory to be nonsense.

It's not the liberals who label climate skeptics Ezra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_o ... ate_change

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23 Dec 2016, 9:52 am

cyberdad wrote:

EzraS wrote:

I'm leaning towards at least a percentage of the man made global warming theory to be nonsense.

It's not the liberals who label climate skeptics Ezra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_o ... ate_change

Then why have I seen umpteen liberals do so umpteen times?

And where's the "is an ignorant idiot" label in that survey?

Point of interest; at my school citing Wikipedia as a source guarantees an automatic Fail.

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23 Dec 2016, 10:44 am

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I'm leaning towards at least a percentage of the man made global warming theory to be nonsense. And I'm glad to know I can take that position, without it meaning only a completely primitive ignorant conservative moron would think that, despite me being pretty sure most liberals would label me as such.

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cyberdad wrote:

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I'm leaning towards at least a percentage of the man made global warming theory to be nonsense.

It's not the liberals who label climate skeptics Ezra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surveys_o ... ate_change

Climate change isn't a political position. I'm not a fan of denier politicians that only do so for special interests in the fossil fuel industry or members of the general public that don't understand the global carbon cycle and think that their casual knowledge on seasonal weather gives them a credible opinion. It does take willful ignorance or a lack actual meaningful research to go against the wisdom & research of an entire field of scientists that have Masters degrees and PhD's. I think you need to separate some of the catastrophic thinking that has been politically applied to the situation by the left, like climate change will destroy world wide ecosystems.

http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002

The good thing about Wikipedia is it's a good summary page, at the bottom of each page is usually a plethora of actual sources for the information.

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23 Dec 2016, 11:21 am

Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

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23 Dec 2016, 11:35 am

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I learned about objective versus subjective reasoning some time ago. Facts versus popular opinion, personal beliefs or stereotypes. It's really not that difficult of a concept.

If you think this is not a difficult concept then you still have a lot to learn.

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23 Dec 2016, 11:36 am

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Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

LOL. Don't worry, Ezra, you've still got 'em surrounded. :mrgreen:

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23 Dec 2016, 11:37 am

I beleive what the top minds in the scientific community say about climate change.I doubt all of them are on the "left".I trust them more than what a politician says on the subject.I don't doubt that we have warming and cooling phases that are natural,but the consensus is that what's going on now isn't natural.
http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

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23 Dec 2016, 11:46 am

EzraS wrote:

Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

Yes, considering all your opponents definitely don't have consensus with one another. You made a bold unsubstantiated opinion, this is a public forum, what did you think was going to happen?

Darmok wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

LOL. Don't worry, Ezra, you've still got 'em surrounded. :mrgreen:

I see you over there Gríma :wink:

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23 Dec 2016, 11:59 am

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The conservatives I've talked to personally very often are contemptuous of science, so they're not going to believe any of those scientists with their fancy degrees.

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23 Dec 2016, 12:03 pm

Feyokien wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

Yes, considering all your opponents definitely don't have consensus with one another. You made a bold unsubstantiated opinion, this is a public forum, what did you think was going to happen?

meh I'll just start being selective.

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23 Dec 2016, 12:06 pm

EzraS wrote:

Feyokien wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

Yes, considering all your opponents definitely don't have consensus with one another. You made a bold unsubstantiated opinion, this is a public forum, what did you think was going to happen?

meh I'll just start being selective.

Selective how though, just debating people who have a political opinion on the issue, or people that are actually scientifically literate.

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23 Dec 2016, 12:13 pm

Tollorin wrote:

EzraS wrote:

I learned about objective versus subjective reasoning some time ago. Facts versus popular opinion, personal beliefs or stereotypes. It's really not that difficult of a concept.

If you think this is not a difficult concept then you still have a lot to learn.

Some things come easier to some than to others.

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23 Dec 2016, 12:20 pm

Feyokien wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Feyokien wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

Yes, considering all your opponents definitely don't have consensus with one another. You made a bold unsubstantiated opinion, this is a public forum, what did you think was going to happen?

meh I'll just start being selective.

Selective how though, just debating people who have a political opinion on the issue, or people that are actually scientifically literate.

Are the two mutually exclusive? But anyways, this is a thread about politics. So yeah, I'll try to stay on topic. Where you wanting to hijack this thread and take it in another direction?

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23 Dec 2016, 12:30 pm

EzraS wrote:

Feyokien wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Feyokien wrote:

EzraS wrote:

Am I expected to debate the same issues with 4 or 5 different people? You all need to choose a front person.

Yes, considering all your opponents definitely don't have consensus with one another. You made a bold unsubstantiated opinion, this is a public forum, what did you think was going to happen?

meh I'll just start being selective.

Selective how though, just debating people who have a political opinion on the issue, or people that are actually scientifically literate.

Are the two mutually exclusive? But anyways, this is a thread about politics. So yeah, I'll try to stay on topic. Where you wanting to hijack this thread and take it in another direction?

This is a thread about Celebrities whining about the election, I just happen to be chipping in on an otherwise already severely derailed thread. You brought up Climate Change mate. :shrug:

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23 Dec 2016, 12:33 pm

EzraS wrote:

Tollorin wrote:

EzraS wrote:

I learned about objective versus subjective reasoning some time ago. Facts versus popular opinion, personal beliefs or stereotypes. It's really not that difficult of a concept.

If you think this is not a difficult concept then you still have a lot to learn.

Some things come easier to some than to others.

No, I don't think you get it. When I say this is difficult I speak from experience, and if you don't think this is difficult then you yet to really get it.

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23 Dec 2016, 12:48 pm

The electors have done their thing.But if its celebrities you want.
http://qz.com/868701/alec-baldwin-only- ... priceless/

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