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Absolutely this. Certain people so often drone on and on about about culture erosion but I often wonder if they are judging this on nothing more than their own nostalgia tinged childhood memories rather than understanding the full range of cultures the UK has hosted for decades, if not centuries.

Your comment reminded me of the Kinks song, "The Village Green Preservation Society".

So should Israel and Japan open their borders? Why wouldn't local culture be threatened by being usurped by migrants as it has in the past? It might not bother you and you might think it's even a good thing but to deny that it's changing things doesn't make a lot of sense. Moral relativists tell us that all cultures are the equal and that we shouldn't care what values or customs they bring, it's a religious mantra in of its self but not one based on reality. Am I terrible person for saying Western culture is superior to Islamic culture? Do you think it would be a good thing if a large part of the West became Islamic? Not something I'm worried about in the US(which has its own unique set of issues when it comes to immigration) but 50-100 years from now in Europe if things keep going at their current pace will look a lot different to say the least. We're not at the 'end of history', human liberty and progress are very fragile things.

I don't oppose all immigration and I don't have an issue with most foreign cultures however I think immigration should fit the interests of the citizenry not big business or cynical party politics. 'Refugee' is a term that has no real meaning at this point because it's being used for people that aren't fleeing any war, most of the 'refugees' coming to Europe right now are not from Syria but are rather are economic migrants from Africa & the Middle East who have taken advantage of the open door policy and invitation from Angela Merkel. I replied to a message earlier that rationalized that 6.5 million people(the number of people estimated to be waiting to get into Europe in surrounding countries) would not be a lot so obviously we're not on the same page, there's already I think over 3 million 'refugees' in Europe at this moment.

Speaking the language, having a marketable skill, and not being openly hostile to our culture & way of life should really be the bare minimum; the truth is the west doesn't need any more laborers or any other people who can't support themselves on the dole because they are not a net-positive. Illegal immigration in the US has destroyed a lot of trade work in this country, blue collar folks can't make a living in this country anymore and it shouldn't be any surprise when over 25% of trade work is being done with illegal labor. Overrun obviously seems to be a subjective term if you don't think we're already overrun. Keep the debate in reality and don't slip back into ideology, tell me how this helps poor people in this country? I think immigration needs to be slowed and restricted to those most qualified and most able to assimilate, you don't become a closed society just because you're not letting in millions of people every year.

It's easy for you to try to sound reasonable and say you don't support this or that when it comes to immigration but the reality is whenever somebody proposes a change no matter how modest they get shouted down as the most terrible racist Nazi, we shouldn't be forced to have open borders or to be overrun but we're not allowed to do or say anything to change that from happening. At least in the US you are allowed free speech, in Europe or Canada you are liable to be brought up in front of some tribunal for hate speech.

Cultural rot is a problem in the west but I do not blame foreigners, I blame far left deconstructionists who we have had far too much tolerance for in public life. Useful idiots hard at work destroying society they hate so much.

Funny how you think, if cultural nostalgia is linked to childhood, why nobody thinks about implementing the same common sense the ISIS criminals have had on it and focus on channeling migration through a controlled visa net migration system that implements something that Brussels and merkel forgot on their way down to customs.
As far as cultural Britain goes, its no different to hunger strikes in Spain or bored regulation in France.
Does anyone here actually know what culture is? Lets think, Grand history, philosophers, naturalists, mountaineers,
pioneers, authors, language/s derived from the culture, Sculpture, Fine Art, Playwrights, Music and Food.
I can't control my lust for anything thats cultural it seems, maybe forgetting that class distinction is an entirely separate thing and cuts itself off from finding resolttion.
Nobody in Manchester deserved to die, Nobody in the Bataclan deserved to die, and nobody fighting terrorism deserves to die either because they never started this damn phoney coward war in the first place.
The real cold war is on your front doorstep and not even a parish priest would try and score points against that.

I'd love to back up from the weird battle lines. What's with the insistence that one side is perfect and blameless, and the other side is pure evil? It stifles debate.

Hit the nail on the head. If people don't even know their own cultural roots then they hardly have a baseline to judge what is cultural erosion

Geopolitics also determines a countries policies. Japan is a traditional native and homogeneous society. It is socially conservative and isolationist. Israel was built as a religious state for Judaism. You cant compare these to countries like the US or Australia which is reliant on immigration and has no state culture/religion.


Moral relativism allows understanding that some cultures have different moral standards to us Jacoby. For example we don't preach about public executions or child marriage or polygamy in some countries because they are culturally accepted practices over there. However once people choose to live in the US or Australia they are also bound by our laws. It's not rocket science


That is the whole reason they have refugee processing. If after processing a person is deemed to face risk of persecution in their own country then it's our moral obligation (whether you like it or not) to accept them into our society


Illegal immigration is "illegal" which has nothing to do with legal migration or people granted refugee status.


What has the left wing got to do with cultural rot? for most of the younger generation culture is based on whether you use an iphone or android. They don't listen to old people like us Jacoby.

The people launching attacks on innocent civilians (such as in Manchester) in the UK are fellow British citizens and (I believe) all born in Britain. They are not a result of "slack" customs/immigration.

Secondly class has nothing to do with culture in Britain. For example the entire landed gentry in the House of Lords and even the British Royal family are supposed to be the flag bearers of British tradition and culture, yet they are the recipients of usurpers - the French/Latin invaders who bought with them a foreign culture into England in the middle ages which now parades itself as "tradition". They are no more "culturally British" than the beer guzzling soccer hooligans draped in Union Jacks or for that matter a muslim convert with her blue eyes peering out of a Burqa walking around Newham markets or blonde haired hari Krishna chanting vedic scriptures in Southall

Honestly people don't even know their own history can hardly claim to know whom they are and are certainly not in a position to judge newcomers as eroding some mythical monolithic British culture

So Israel and Japan don't have to take any refugees because? What about Gulf Arabs who won't take any? The US has no obligation to anyone except its citizens who it fails miserably. The multi kulti freaks are pretty much opposed deporting anyone even criminals, as evidence by the massive freak out about Trump. They're not talking about legal immigration when they talk 'immigration reform' in the US and it all ties together, if there are 11 to 30 million illegal immigrants is why legal immigration and refugees should be slowed to trickle until the problem isn't a problem anymore. The 'left' has fully embraced cultural Marxism which seeks to deconstruct and destroy every aspect of western culture, this rot is entirely their intention.

Up to 23k jihadists in the UK, 500 different plots being investigated by MI5 involving 3000 jihadists deemed the most dangerous. People don't understand how bad the situation is in Europe, a good portion of foreign fighters with ISIS are EU citizens and they'll be coming back.

Because they don't want to. The US isn't a "global policeman" so nobody can force these countries to do anything


Not sure where you get this information?


What happened to Trump's wall? I thought you yanks voted him in to plug the holes on the border?


If not for us "cultural Marxists" on the left wing of politics we would still have slavery, apartheid (Jim Crow laws). no mimumum wage, women would remain powerless housewives, gays would be thrown in prison and autistic people would be sterilised (yes your beloved right wing zealots still believe in eugenics) and locked away in institutions
Given that prospect I'd rather have cultural rot.

Was I labelling you or saying your old? You're simply exploiting the culture as you see fit, like others have done over the years and everyone else has to tie in with your exasperating demands on it?

There was never any value in a class sytem which is all based on lies evil and corruption and I was describing cultural influence by what Biscuitman quoted.
You earlier described Brits as not seeing beyond their own party hooliganism which is why society has left us all in this mess and I doubt if drawing a ceasefire under it is going to prevent a religious warfare that has flooded societies interests.
Culture erosion is created out of fear, angst, and religious and social bullying, handed down by each foreign and Brit.

My position is clear. I was born and grew up in Great Britain, the high earners and luxury earnt by some, have not been passed down future generations as widely as the abuse of principle and common injustice.

The attacker may have grown up in Manchester but he was ideologised by trips to Lybia and left there to join criminal organisations run by ISIS in the middle East and like Jacoby said; other radicalised youngsters have done the same suicide,religious, homophobic death acts and its disgraceful to think its still happening. If these people are known to act suspiciously or are on police agendas, more need to be done to sluice the perpetrators out.

Former high ranking officer with the Met suggesting internment(as was done to the IRA in the early 70s)as the answer to the thousands of dangerous jihadists that call the UK home. I don't think the people involved with this that know the real extent of this problem probably don't sleep very well at night.

Tony Walter is being named as the 23rd man who committed suicide from ptsd coming back to haunt him. He'd been subjected to terrifying ordeals on the 7/7 bombings of 2005. He was caught upin the Edgeware bombings just a few feet from where the blast took place.
He was one of the 700 injured and had shrapnel injuries. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/7-7-survivor- ... 26502.html

I have no demands? just stating the bleeding obvious...


The class system in the UK is "imposed" you have it whether you like it or not and everyone "fits in"


They choose this no?


Cultural erosion stems from apathy ignorance passed down from our parents


Free market economics refers to "trickle down" which is quite literally all that is coming down to those of us who haven't been diligent social climbers, many of those who were the children of the socialist revolution in the 60s are now running merchant banks - much Like Orwell's model of social change


Its disgraceful but jacoby's remedy is actually what ISIS and Al Qaeda want. If muslim immigration is halted it sends a message to young muslims already living in the UK and USA that they are second class citizens radicalising them further.

"That's what they want us to do" is a stupid defense, if you have thousands of jihadists already operating in your country with thousands more waiting to come home from Syria then I think the last thing you should want to do is add more to it which what this open door policy entails. If you are unwilling to assimilate and are completely hostile to western culture then what value does that person have to the UK or anywhere they might be? Cracking down on radical Islam and slowing immigration seem like common sense, the UK is already a small overcrowded Island without enough housing for its people.

Weird how there is no terrorist attacks happen in places like Poland and Japan... What could their secret be?