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07 Sep 2017, 11:30 am

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You're not the first person who's ever had a rough life, because of confusion, fear of violence, feeling of being unwanted / unaccepted, and so-forth (I mean, all anyone has to be, is an ASDer - and look how many of us, are on this website, ALONE)----and, you're CERTAINLY not the first person who has ever had to hide, what / who you are

You think being on the ASD spectrum is comparable to being an LGBT or ethnic minority?

In regard to what I've underlined, yes.

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Most people don't have any strong opinions about autism, if they even know what it is.

Really----then, who's doing all the emotional / physical abuse, about which some people, on here, have posted?

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07 Sep 2017, 12:57 pm

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Barchan wrote:

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You think being on the ASD spectrum is comparable to being an LGBT or ethnic minority?

In regard to what I've underlined, yes.

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Most people don't have any strong opinions about autism, if they even know what it is.

Really----then, who's doing all the emotional / physical abuse, about which some people, on here, have posted?

Let's be sensible, you can't equate ASD with being LGBT. I've never been in fear of violence due to ASD, never had people call me names or abuse me or want to hassle me. Never feared my parents kicking me out and no Muslim has ever tried throwing me from a high building.

Sure people with ASD may get bullied at school but so do LGBT people. Of the ASD people that suffer physical abuse it's probably mainly from immediate family members.

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07 Sep 2017, 6:28 pm

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Just because you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen!!

I've had alot of these things, done to me (as have many others, on here, ALONE)----including someone trying to throw me off a building and my mother throwing me out of the house (I was 17 and I never went back); just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's never happened. The point IS, that people can "get over it", or they can play the victim, for the rest of their lives.

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Sure people with ASD may get bullied at school but so do LGBT people.

EXACTLY----so, what's the problem?

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Of the ASD people that suffer physical abuse it's probably mainly from immediate family members.

Does it matter from where the abuse comes? Is it not still hurtful?

Does it matter that it seems that more ASD people are KILLED by their parents, as opposed to LGBTQ?

I can't find the exact post I was looking-for, but someone posted on here, some time ago, a link to a site that keeps a running list of parents who kill their autistic kids----and, there's several threads on here, about filicides. On this site, ALONE, the number is staggering (it may not be ONLY parents - I saw some, listing "caretakers").....

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07 Sep 2017, 7:00 pm

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just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's never happened.

Where did I say I don't believe it happens or say that it doesn't happen? My point is that while some people probably do suffer this from ASD I don't doubt it pails into insignificance compared to the percentage of LGBT people who suffer this abuse which is why it can't be compared.

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Does it matter from where the abuse comes? Is it not still hurtful?

Yes it matters. How many people are there who are your immediate family? Now how many strangers are there? Getting abuse from your immediate family is obviously bad, but if you're habitually abused by strangers then the chances of you being abused on a daily basis is higher.

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Does it matter that it seems that more ASD people are KILLED by their parents, as opposed to LGBTQ?

My argument is really about the amount of abuse and its likelihood. I sure the parents of severely autistic children do find the pressure high and sometimes that probably does lead to infanticide. However compare that to the likelihood that an LGBTQ person could get assaulted and potentially killed just for going out on a Friday or Saturday night.

To sum up some ASD people probably do suffer abuse from some people, but LGBTQ people are far more likely to run a daily gauntlet of abuse every time they leave their house.

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07 Sep 2017, 8:47 pm

GOOD HEAVENS!! I've never seen you make such unbelievably ignorant posts----in-fact, I often agree with some of the stuff, you say. I'm NOT saying you should feel sorry for ANY ASDer----I AM saying, though, that I don't believe that Trans-people suffer any more than ASDers; and, interestingly, you're saying alot of what I'M saying, and at-the-same-time, saying it isn't SO (for instance: "Sure people with ASD may get bullied at school but so do LGBT people."). LOL How does that, make sense to you?

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...if you're habitually abused by strangers then the chances of you being abused on a daily basis is higher.

Yes, just as some ASDers are "habitually abused by strangers".

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I didn't say "infanticide", I said "filicide"----you obviously didn't read my link; there's practically every age on there, from 2 to 85 (85-year-old was killed by her son - and there is a 47-year-old, on there, who was killed my her husband [doesn't sound like "severely autistic", to ME, if she managed to get married]).

Compare that to an ASDer who could get killed, just by staying IN, "on a Friday or Saturday night".

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To sum up some ASD people probably do suffer abuse from some people, but LGBTQ people are far more likely to run a daily gauntlet of abuse every time they leave their house.

And, some ASDers don't even have to leave their house.

Again, I'm not asking anybody to feel sorry for ASDers----and I'm certainly not asking anyone to feel sorry for ME, cuz I don't have a victim mentality----what I'm saying, generally speaking, is that nobody should feel sorry for Trans-people, any MORE than they do for ASDers (ESPECIALLY, the Trans-person, theirself, shouldn't feel sorry for themselves), or any other person. NO ONE can say that their life is any worse than anybody else's, cuz they haven't lived anyone else's life----and, as I've said before, on here, to each person who's had a rough life, their life if the worst, cuz they're the ones having to live it; but, that doesn't mean, that it IS, in-fact, any worse than anyone else's.

Tell ya what.....

Find us some numbers..... You find us some hard numbers that say that more Trans-people get abused / killed, for being Trans, than do ASDers get abused / killed, for being ASDers; then, we'll see----cuz, I haven't found any, yet, and I've been lookin', this whole time.

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07 Sep 2017, 8:48 pm

[quote="Campin_Cat"]I've had alot of these things, done to me (as have many others, on here, ALONE)----including someone trying to throw me off a building and my mother throwing me out of the house (I was 17 and I never went back); just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's never happened. The point IS, that people can "get over it", or they can play the victim, for the rest of their lives.
It sounds to me like you're a bit bitter because nobody ever took your problems seriously (which I'm sorry to hear about by the way, and I'm always here if you need to talk), and your idea of "getting over it" includes begrudging others for wanting their problems taken seriously.

And the proverbial crabs are just click-clacking away...

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07 Sep 2017, 8:55 pm

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Find us some numbers..... You find us some hard numbers that say that more Trans-people get abused / killed, for being Trans, than do ASDers get abused / killed, for being ASDers; then, we'll see----cuz, I haven't found any, yet, and I've been lookin', this whole time.

That's the crux of the matter, I don't have any data (haven't looked) and neither do you, I'm purely stating an opinion, probably one biased by own experiences, likewise you are merely stating your opinion biased by your own experiences. However given the way society is I'd be surprised if autistic people suffered as much abuse as LGBTQ people, I think most people would probably be of the same opinion, especially given that it's far more likely that people are not going to know an autistic person is autistic.

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07 Sep 2017, 10:39 pm

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I've had alot of these things, done to me (as have many others, on here, ALONE)----including someone trying to throw me off a building and my mother throwing me out of the house (I was 17 and I never went back); just because you don't believe it, doesn't mean it's never happened. The point IS, that people can "get over it", or they can play the victim, for the rest of their lives.

It sounds to me like you're a bit bitter because nobody ever took your problems seriously (which I'm sorry to hear about by the way, and I'm always here if you need to talk), and your idea of "getting over it" includes begrudging others for wanting their problems taken seriously.

And the proverbial crabs are just click-clacking away...

You must not've read my successive post----I said: "I don't have a victim mentality".

Sure, I had a period where I was bitter, because I felt like I had lived about THREE lives, by the time I was 18 (NON-Aspie-related), and "boo-hoo, life is unfair"----even then, I wasn't goin'-around begging for attention, and sayin': "Oh, woe, is me - don'tcha feel sorry, for me?"----but, I was in my twenties, when I went-through that period, and I have been extremely lucky, to have had a bunch of people, along-the-way, who took my problems, seriously, and helped me; that's how I was able to come-up-with the philosophy: "To everyone, their life is the worst, cuz they're the ones, having to live it", and I still hold-dear, that philosophy, to this very day.

Anybody who's still bitter, at almost 56 (as I am), about what happened to them, as a child, DOES need help----but, as I said, I've already had that. This is my way of "giving back" (cuz I had people give to me [helped me, through], so I want to give to others), by telling people that there are OTHER factors, in life / TO life----there ARE other ways of looking-at things----that they shouldn't wallow in self-pity, cuz they're stifling, themselves.

Also, as I've said, before, I know my style of communication, isn't for everyone----but, oftentimes, it IS, for those who are eager to grow and learn; and, to those who have already grown, enough, to be able to take straight-up, constructive criticism, from someone.

Again, the point, IS, that if I and others can get-through a rough life, then ANYBODY can----barring some kind of permanent, physical damage, or something; and, ironically, most-often, it seems, people who are that bad-off (say, somebody who can never get out of a wheelchair, and/or, has a feeding tube, or something like that), do the LEAST boo-hooin'! !

I don't know what "crabs", "click-clacking away", means----so, I can't address that.....

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07 Sep 2017, 10:44 pm

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...given the way society is I'd be surprised if autistic people suffered as much abuse as LGBTQ people...

Oh, you mean how society is so accepting of ASDers? NOT!!

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...especially given that it's far more likely that people are not going to know an autistic person is autistic.

Really? Tell THAT to the hundreds of people on here, over the years, who have said that they, pretty much, only have to open their mouth, for people to know they're "weird", or "off", or whatever----and, before you say that Trans people only have to show their face (that they don't even have to open their mouth), for someone to abuse them, or whatever..... Have you not seen the dozens of posts on here, talking-about "do you look like you're autistic"?

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08 Sep 2017, 12:39 am

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[color=#9932CC][b]You must not've read my successive post----I said: "I don't have a victim mentality".

And if you say it often and insistently enough, then it definitely must be true, right?

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08 Sep 2017, 1:09 am

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Oh, you mean how society is so accepting of ASDers? NOT!!

Many people with ASD get through life fairly unnoticed, you have to remember it's a spectrum disorder, some have it worse than others, however being LGBT is binary.

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Really? Tell THAT to the hundreds of people on here, over the years, who have said that they, pretty much, only have to open their mouth, for people to know they're "weird", or "off", or whatever

I find myself repeating the same thing, but my argument isn't that no autistic person gets abused, just that I think they're less likely to than an LGBT person. As I said above, many autistic people manage to sail through life generally unnoticed.

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08 Sep 2017, 9:24 am

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You must not've read my successive post----I said: "I don't have a victim mentality".

And if you say it often and insistently enough, then it definitely must be true, right?

LOLOLOL THAT'S the best, you've got? LOLOLOL

I'm quite done with you, on this thread.

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08 Sep 2017, 9:26 am

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...you have to remember it's a spectrum disorder...

NO----REALLY? Autism is a spectrum disorder----huh! Ya learn somethin' new, every day!!

What, you think this is my FIRST DAY! LOLOLOL

I'm quite done with you, on this thread, as well.

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08 Sep 2017, 9:41 am

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NO----REALLY? Autism is a spectrum disorder----huh! Ya learn somethin' new, every day!!

Your sarcasm is misplaced as your argument seemed to ignore the fact that many people have ASD that can't be detected by strangers thus goes largely unnoticed. The way you talk on this thread you'd think everyone's ASD was severe.

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08 Sep 2017, 4:26 pm

Chichikov wrote:

Campin_Cat wrote:

Oh, you mean how society is so accepting of ASDers? NOT!!

Many people with ASD get through life fairly unnoticed, you have to remember it's a spectrum disorder, some have it worse than others, however being LGBT is binary.

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Really? Tell THAT to the hundreds of people on here, over the years, who have said that they, pretty much, only have to open their mouth, for people to know they're "weird", or "off", or whatever

Many LGBT people sail through life unnoticed. Black would have been a better analogy. I am not going to wade into this oppression olympics discussion any further because who has it worse arguments are a distraction.

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08 Sep 2017, 4:29 pm

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Many LGBT people sail through life unnoticed.

True, some do. However I'd say that less probably do.

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