Breaking: Active Shooter(s) In Mandalay Bay Hotel (NSFW)

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The world's going to hell in a hand basket. Events like these make me lose faith in humanity. I can't even....

I don't see a lone person representing humanity. I see all the concertgoers there who worked so hard to help the wounded at their own peril representing humanity.

Care to guess how long it will be before the media starts speculating on the other default, the Asperger's causation of shooting massacres?

I was talking about the shooter not having a political agenda.
Of course a politician does.And you do too,the way you constantly slam the left.
I've never said guns should be controlled.There isn't any way to do it.Just like illegal drugs,if people want it,they will aquire it.
Aspergers is not a mental illness, and the "some" that think that are uneducated on the subject.
Anyway, something is wrong with someone who kills a bunch of innocent people he's never met.That is not the act of a sane mind.Just becuse he's not diagnosed with mental illness does not mean he can't have one.Many people have mental illness and never seek treatment.No one knows till they snap.And older men are less likely to seek help for mental problems.They think it's weak to ask for help.

Thank you for your perspective, Misslizard.

This act reminds me of at least two incidents I can recall where a pilot (or co-pilot) whom their employers never suspected of any mental illness, and passed the tests, suddenly decided to deliberately down the plane thus taking themselves out together with as many others as possible. Which makes it the more difficult for the FBI profilers or any experts in mental health to predict this type of behaviour and know when someone has gone over the edge.

I recall Stephen King's assessment of mental disorders in his book, Misery: "Depressives kill themselves, psychotics take others with them."

The guy was a real estate investor and a multimillionaire owning several houses. No criminal record. Not known to have a mental illness.no political or religious affiliations. Father diagnosed as psychopathic and suicidal. He sometimes stayed in hotels for weeks at a time. Divorced twice. Big gambler sometimes gambling tens of thousands at one setting. Was good to his 90 yr old mother - had just sent her a new walker and his girlfriend would bake her cookies. Said he even lived with his mother for a short time. Was always on the run and never stayed in one place. Interesting, because his father did the same. Brother was aware that he owned 5 guns so he knew how to shoot. Never hunted and barely shot his guns, but would go skeet shooting so he knew how to hit a moving target. He liked country music and went to several concerts like this one. He owned 2 planes and was a pilot. Had a fishing license in Alaska. Would introduce himself as a professional gambler. Did not own a car - always used rentals, and his houses had no furniture or pictures - just a dining chair, bed and two recliners. No fancy clothes. Neighbors said he was weird and kept to himself.

If I were to make an educated guess I would say he possibly had the same mental illness his father did - psychopathic and suicidal and was unmedicated. Sounds like he was able to function in life, but not in a normal way. Must have been very intelligent as he was an accountant, real estate investor, pilot and professional gambler. Unable to remain married, acted weird, and stayed to himself. Sounds like whenever he did anything, he did it big. Made lots of money, lots of traveling, gambled big amounts, had many houses. They said his father died a few years ago. His life centered around Las Vegas. They said he had some sort of a lawsuit with one of the Vegas hotels surrounding a fall he had and he lost. I think something set him off (or maybe a mixture of several things). And if he also took after his father with the same genetics, he could have also been psychopathic (with no conscience) and suicidal. I think he knew what he was going to do and either had his girlfriend leave or planned this when he knew she would be gone. I think he was angry at something and wanted to take it out on the place he loved the most that had let him down in some way - Vegas. He was well known in Vegas. I don't think it had anything to do with ISIS - even though they are claiming it. I think he was mentally ill and snapped.

Many women in the USA are diagnosed with mental illness. Many own guns. However they don't seem very likely to commit mass murder by shooting strangers. And most mentally ill people ( of both sexes) don't either. So I am not quite persuaded by the default explanation of mental illness that is always offered up to explain these terrible events. I can see why it does get cited in that way, though.

Shooter clearly a psychopath though and psychopathy is a form of mental illness.

Thank you, Nurseangela, for the detailed info. It's a pity no one knew what was going on inside his head before this terrible thing happened.

This is interesting :

Las Vegas shooting: 'YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE' – SHOCK WARNING 45 minutes before attack
A LAS VEGAS shooting witness was reportedly warned that everyone at the Route 91 music festival was “going to die” 45 minutes before the attack near the Mandalay Bay hotel.

One woman, who was at the Route 91 music event, claimed an unidentified woman had told other concert-goers they were “all going to die” after pushing her way to the front of the venue.

The witness, 21, told local news: “She had been messing with a lady in front of her and telling her she was going to die, that we were all going to die.

“They escorted her out to make her stop messing around with all the other people, but none of us knew it was going to be serious.”

She described the lady as Hispanic. The lady was escorted from the venue along with a man.

The unnamed witness, who was attending the event on her 21st birthday, described the pair as short, both around 5 ft 5ins to 5ft 6ins tall, and looked like “everyday people”.

Marilou Danley, a person of interest in the Las Vegas Police investigation, was said to be an Asian woman and approximately 4ft 11ins in height.

Mr Lombardo said: “We have not located her at this time ad we are invested in talking to her for follow-up.”

There is no confirmed police link to the eyewitnesses' claim and Marilou Danley.

Ms Danley and her vehicle has now been located by the police, and it has been confirmed she is not believed to be involved in the mass shooting.

Tell you what, I'm sick of reading respected news outlets telling me what is known to be factually true at this time. Thank God I can come to an internet forum where people are much better informed, even knowing for fact the mental condition people were in right before they died.

Danley is Australian

I don't know what this means, but the only way to make some sense out of something is profiling - take into account the persons history, family history, medical history, etc. Of course, no one can know exactly what went on, but it's all you have to go by. Criminal profilers do that same thing. How else are you going to try to make sense out of something that doesn't make sense? You have to hypothesize. This will also help to figure out if this was a mass shooting or a terrorist attack. Of course ISIS is going to want to claim the "Biggest Mass Murder In US History".

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The reinvigorated discussion about guns (which I'm going to consider unavoidable in these cases) and gun laws and who should be allowed to have them and whether they should be allowed at all and should it go as far as taking them away from people who have them currently, brings to mind some things and personal experiences from my own life.
which added to what is coming from the Las Vegas thing are making for an intense experience at the moment.

Here is something I posted as a comment on 2 different friends' posts on Google Plus last night.
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This is going to be long. And my feelings are mixed.

My attitude is greatly affected by being related to people who have used guns to stop home invasions and carjackings.
The carjacking was one night in 70s or 80s Grandad W stopped himself from being carjacked after dark while stuck in traffic when a guy stuck a knife in the open driver's door window by using a scrap of rubber hose to masquerade as a gun laid on the windowsill. If the guy was doing a carjacking in a traffic jam where people could see, even at night, he probably wasn't exactly stable, ya know. Grandad, a WW2 vet, reported he said to they guy something to the effect of, "Do you have a family? Maybe you should find something else to do tonight?"
The guy apparently took Grandad's advice.

Several times, my parents and also one aunt stopped home invasions by presenting a gun and the willingness to pull the trigger. Aunt S may have shot in to the air once, otherwise simply presenting a deadly weapon with better than arm length reach was enough to cancel the crime in progress. I am also related to people who have used guns to prevent cattle rustling, yes even in the 1970s, I was sleeping on another aunt and uncle's couch when that began to go down.

And related to and living around farmers who use guns to protect both themselves and their livestock from predators all the way from rattlesnakes to coyotes to feral dogs to bears. Going back to cattle, I know someone who had to shoot a neighbor's dog who had begun attacking his cattle. Neighbor was, well, that had to be done, dogs have also been known to run cattle to death.

And I'm related to several people currently in or retired from law enforcement.

One question is, how do you successfully take all the guns away from these people, from Department of Justice,

One reason I am content to live a couple hours away from my ex-wife and her family is that her adult son was occasionally on and off drugs and one time was telling about a pistol or two he'd gotten from a friend. he replied that they were unregistered and there was no intent to register them. This son also occasionally bragged about things which didn't happen, so was this true or not? In the end all I did about it was make it another reason to desire to leave the relationship. Was that a right, wrong, or indifferent choice on my part?

Being on the receiving end of crime does things, variable things depending on the individual, to one's attitude about gun possession.
In my personal experience there was the aborted burglary which worked out to be a partial home invasion, but with no firearms involved, one time in 1990s when I was home from work sick and soaking in the bathtub. My apartment had line of sight from bathtub to the front door and someone popped the door and began to enter when I moved and splashed water. They took off and left the door ajar. same day next week while all of us were at work the apartment building was burglarized. I was fortunate they were not interested in harming me since being in the bath tub I would have been an easy kill.

Except for the cattle rustling all of the above took place in or near Kansas City, MO, which ain't exactly NYC, LA, NOLA, or Chicago.
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Another thing I posted over on Google Plus,

Conspiracy theorists, grrr. Heard one saying there was no shooter at the hotel because you couldn't see muzzle flashes on the cell phone videos which were looking right at the hotel.
Okay, let's think this through. How big is a muzzle flash flame from an automatic or semi-auto rifle?? I don't know, but let's say it is as big as an adult male shoe.
Hotel room was roughly 4 football fields away from concert spectators.
How big in relative size is a shoe 4 football fields away compared to a pixel on your cell phone's image sensor?

A friend who is far deeper in to technical electronics skills than I am commented, "Also, the slow framerate that is typical of cellphone recordings is more likely to miss a brief flash than a full-speed video recorder."

She's from the Philippines. What planet are you on? She lived in Australia for 20 years but not originally from there.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.newsweek ... 53%3Famp=1

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Paddock, who has been described as a “regular guy”, had no criminal record, no ties to religious or terror groups as far as his family knew, no mental health issues and no military or weapons training.

And yet, he was capable of pulling off a military-grade attack on US soil.
In the aftermath of the attack, Trump labelled the shooting as an, “act of pure evil”.
But that description was “hiding something” — just how depressing regular shootings on US soil have become.
Over the last 50 years, per capita, the number of guns in America has doubled, from one for every two people, to one for every one person.There are an estimated 300 million guns in the US.

You would think, after a mass shooting, especially the deadliest in modern US history, gun reform may actually happen, But that’s not what happens but gun-loving Americans fear it might.
And so instead of seeing a reduction, just the talk of gun reform will see Americans flock to gun stores today. Following the 2012 Sandy Hook school massacre, where 20 children and six teachers were slaughtered, US gun makers produced 11 million guns.
That’s twice as many as they had made three years earlier. And so with Americans out today, buying more guns than they were yesterday, what’s the NRA got to say? Nothing. Because that’s what they do every time. After 49 people were gunned down in the Orlando [nightclub shooting] in 2016, they took two days to respond.”