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07 Jul 2019, 2:11 pm

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This video shows one of the communist thugs smashing the guy's car before he accelerates.

No it does not, it does not show anyone smash his car.

That said even if 'one' communist thug as you put it did hit his car in what way does that justify him speeding into a crowd of people killing one? Also he has admitted to being a neo-nazi and even admitted to committing the crime according to most news sources aside from FOX and whatever right winger blogs you get your news from.

It's about 5 seconds in. You can deny reality if you want. If you watch the end of the other video it's not just one communist thug with a bat, it's dozens. He was stitched up in a political trial and would have been executed if he didn't plead guilty. It's similar to what the state is doing with Chelsea Manning. I'll defend anyone who I think is not getting justice. I said it should have been manslaughter and the communists and the tiki torchers should have been rounded up by the police long before that. Cause I don't want anyone getting hurt let alone getting killed. People's political views do not make someone subhuman despite what the media and Hollywood tries to teach you. I've known people who've been far right or far left and have altered their views.

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07 Jul 2019, 2:13 pm

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And I have never defended what Trump is doing with Israel. I've made numerous threads attacking him for it.

You also make a lot of comments defending him though..perhaps not on Israel, but you still seem to defend him an awful lot. And you're defending a Neo-nazi who murdered a person...

See my post above. I defend Trump from false charges! Like I defended Obama for the false birth certificate charges and after criticism he faced from hawks for doing the Iran deal. Doesn't make me an Obama fan.

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07 Jul 2019, 2:19 pm

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This video shows one of the communist thugs smashing the guy's car before he accelerates.

Five seconds in, that a$$hole is already speeding down the road with intent to kill. So much for your justification for "justifiable homicide."
The Nazi a$$hole murderer is nothing like Chelsea Manning. He is a murderer, plain and simple. If he was so innocent, I'd think he'd want to fight it in court.

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07 Jul 2019, 6:38 pm

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C'mon John you are just being ridiculous now. Field's is nothing like Chelsea Manning at all :?:

No sane person is going to claim this is justifiable homicide to drive your high powered vehicle into a crowd of people especially since the idiot has already admitted he intended to do harm??

At least Ezra tried to use some spurious logic to support right wing behavior but you have officially gone certifiably insane.

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07 Jul 2019, 6:47 pm

JohnPowell wrote:

This video shows one of the communist thugs smashing the guy's car before he accelerates.

I can't see any bats in that video , this dude swings his jacket at the car after it passes him

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07 Jul 2019, 7:52 pm

The counter protesters were NOT communists! They were there simply to fight against a bunch of hate mongers who all have the wet dream of seeing ethnic cleansing in America, so who cares if they got rowdy. How could any person with a conscience not loudly protest against such a hateful ideology?

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07 Jul 2019, 8:40 pm

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The counter protesters were NOT communists!

Only in certain circles you still hear this type of language which was typical of the early 1950s during the Macarthy era when American citizens actively reported anybody who spoke about civil/social rights or equal wages as a "commie" to the police or government. Plenty of American academics and even actors/celebrities were thrown in jail for spurious reasons.

Ironically the Macarthy era in the US is almost a mirror image of what the communist and Nazi regimes also practiced with it's own citizenry encouraging common folk to report on anyone including their own family to the authorities.

John seems to invoke the very principles he claims to oppose by labelling young articulate social college educated anti-Nazi protesters as "communists"...quite laughable

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08 Jul 2019, 7:26 am

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It is expedient to use the term, "Nazi." That's the extent of the thought behind the use of the term Nazi today.

The Nazis of the Jewish Holocaust:

1. First identified and ostracized the Jews.
2. Made them wear the star of David
3. Shut down or stole their businesses and absorbed their wealth (money, homes, etc)
4. Moved them to ghettos
5. Moved them to concentration camps
6. Killed the ones least fit to work
7. Worked the fit ones to death
8. Experimented on them
9. When the war ended, they had no country, no where to go.
10. In 1948 Israel was resurrected so the Jews would have a land of their own.

There is no Nazi party on this planet, or the UN would be involved. That is huge part of why the UN was created, so that no other human rights violations such as this would ever occur again.

I expected to find more regimented autists on this page. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the ones who throw out terms and catch phrases when they do not match up with the definitions history has outlined for us.

The man in Charlottesville might not be an aberration, I'm sure there are others in this country who are just as full of hate and willing to do harm to someone based on color, nationality, etc... But, they will meet resistance. This behavior will not be adopted by the country and put into action by the government, as it was in Germany. Hence, it doesn't meet the definition or comparison of "Nazi."

So you're not just saying that the term "Neo-Nazi" gets over-used, but you're outright denying the very existence of neo-Nazis?

What, then, would you call a group of people who admire Hitler and/or call themselves Nazi and/or have an ideology similar to Hitler's ideology, however powerless they might be to put that ideology into practice? Such groups do exist and, here in the U.S.A., are part of a larger white nationalist movement. Many of them believe that the Holocaust didn't happen, but it should have.

Such groups have not achieved the state power necessary to commit the large-scale atrocities that the original Nazis did, and I hope you are correct that they never will achieve state power here. But that doesn't seem to me to be a reason not to call them neo-Nazis.

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It is a convenient catch-phrase to stir easy outrage by lazy protesters who really don't know what they stand for either. Because if the opponent doesn't meet the definition of a Nazi, or a fascist (I went over the tenets of fascism in another thread, I'm not going to do it again here), then the protesters cannot be ANTIFA.

Could you provide a link to the thread where you defined "fascism"?

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08 Jul 2019, 3:25 pm

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C'mon John you are just being ridiculous now. Field's is nothing like Chelsea Manning at all :?:

On the other thread you said Churchill killing millions of people was "cruel", so perhaps you might want to rethink that one. He was being chased by an angry armed mob and was going home.

You fail to understand anything. The case is similar to Manning as the establishment is blackmailing Manning to try to get Assange. They blackmailed this guy with the death penalty. I think it's manslaughter and if you listened to the video I posted at the start you'd know why.

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08 Jul 2019, 3:26 pm

SaveFerris wrote:

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This video shows one of the communist thugs smashing the guy's car before he accelerates.

I can't see any bats in that video , this dude swings his jacket at the car after it passes him

Yeah fair enough. But if you watch the other video the gang of thugs had bats.

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08 Jul 2019, 3:28 pm

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The counter protesters were NOT communists!

Lol, hilarious considering you two have been pushing the Russiagate hoax for 3 years. They are Communist thugs. They were armed with bats and think it's ok to batter people with baseball bats cause they don't like their political views.

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08 Jul 2019, 3:51 pm

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cyberdad wrote:

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The counter protesters were NOT communists!

No, they were conscientious citizens who strongly opposed racism, and understood the necessity to speak out against it. If that alone makes a communist, then I proudly am one.

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08 Jul 2019, 4:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

The counter protesters were NOT communists!

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They are Communist thugs. They were armed with bats and think it's ok to batter people with baseball bats cause they don't like their political views.

No, they were conscientious citizens who strongly opposed racism, and understood the necessity to speak out against it. If that alone makes a communist, then I proudly am one.

The "antifa" are indeed mostly communists and anarchists. However, not all the counter-protesters were members of "antifa" groups -- there were plenty of other counter-protesters too.

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08 Jul 2019, 4:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

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The counter protesters were NOT communists!

No, they were conscientious citizens who strongly opposed racism, and understood the necessity to speak out against it. If that alone makes a communist, then I proudly am one.

Do you approve of the violent tactics ANTIFA utilizes? Do you approve of threatening people, blocking traffic? I don't believe for one minute that the majority of people support this. But they're too afraid to be called a "racist," or a "fascist," or "alt right" if they speak against it.

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08 Jul 2019, 4:35 pm

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The "antifa" are indeed mostly communists and anarchists. However, not all the counter-protesters were members of "antifa" groups -- there were plenty of other counter-protesters too.

This is not accurate. There isn't a manifesto or doctrine that unites antifa members except anti-fascism. Watch the Vice documentary on youtube which interviews various members of antifa involved in the Charlottesville. Some of them are tenured university academics who invoked their constitutional right to "bear arms".

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08 Jul 2019, 4:40 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:

JohnPowell wrote:

cyberdad wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

The counter protesters were NOT communists!

No, they were conscientious citizens who strongly opposed racism, and understood the necessity to speak out against it. If that alone makes a communist, then I proudly am one.

I think in their minds if you allow "brownshirts" to walk around popularising fascism then it's a slippery slope to social decay. So fight Nazi fire with fire before it "spreads".

People in in 1930s Germany would never have dreamed that an enlightened and progressive society could be brainwashed so quickly when economic times were temporarily hard. Nobody resisted...everyone knows what happened (WWII)

Antifa probably know the alt-right is taking advantage of economic hardship to blame minority groups (traditional target of the right).

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