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16 Oct 2019, 10:01 pm

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Yes, indeed, book burning were up many peoples' alleys for many centuries.

Many people other than Nazis.

The common thread in book burnings---is that they are negative and reactionary. And there is the desire to prevent free exchange of ideas (a salient feature of fascism).

The common thread was it was preformed by governments. Comparing college kids protesting to nazis and stalinists is just crazy


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16 Oct 2019, 10:05 pm

I never blame the regular German person for the behavior of the Nazis.

I’m a Jew who believes we should move on from the Holocaust—but we in the modern age must learn from past misdeeds, and make sure they are not repeated.

We must be vigilant in this.



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16 Oct 2019, 10:08 pm

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I never blame the regular German person for the behavior of the Nazis.

I’m a Jew who believes we should move on from the Holocaust—but we in the modern age must learn from past misdeeds, and make sure they are not repeated.

We must be vigilant in this.

I agree with kraftie, we all need to learn to forgive and forget. But at the same time we must make sure that history does not repeat itself.



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16 Oct 2019, 10:26 pm

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This reminds me of a funny scene from The Golden Girls when Blanche told a story about how the people in her hometown Atlanta used to burn books when she was a little girl.

And she followed with "But Big Daddy (her father) was outraged! He grabbed that torch, climbed all the way to the top of that pile, and yelled "What are you people doing?! This is lunacy! You start a fire from the bottom!" :lol:


Big Daddy? Did you know that was a reference to Tennessee Williams' Cat On A Hot Tin Roof?


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This reminds me of a funny scene from The Golden Girls when Blanche told a story about how the people in her hometown Atlanta used to burn books when she was a little girl.

And she followed with "But Big Daddy (her father) was outraged! He grabbed that torch, climbed all the way to the top of that pile, and yelled "What are you people doing?! This is lunacy! You start a fire from the bottom!" :lol:


Big Daddy? Did you know that was a reference to Tennessee Williams' Cat On A Hot Tin Roof?


It's actually a pretty common nickname here in the south. So is "Big Mama".



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16 Oct 2019, 10:32 pm

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It's a sign of fascism because actual fascists used to burn the books of people whom the fascists didn't like.

I don't think book-burnings are a good sign of things at all. I think they are a sign of potential trouble.

I certainly wouldn't burn any book----even "Mein Kampf." And I'm a Jew.

You know your history, Sly. You should know who used to do book-burnings all the time.


Facist did a lot of things, are we never allowed to do things facist did? Hitler was vegan and against smoking. So we shouldn’t hate vegans and all smoke right? Most our science and medical stuff came from nazis. NASA was nazi central and we’d never got to the moon without the nazis.

So no just cause people do something the facist did isn’t a sign of facism. This was a small group protesting a forced book nothing more.

Books are just any other object to me they aren’t special. I’ve burned Burke and I’ll do it again, I’ve thrown bunch a way too. Most people don’t care about books. They just another mass produced product to most of us.

You know they burn books thrown away or that don’t sell right?
Books are the past anyways made and sold less and less everything is going digital


German scientists who had been forced to join the SS in order to be used for top secret Nazi war projects got us to the moon.
The medical science gained from the Nazis came out of concentration camps where prisoners who were seen as less than human were used as test subjects by the Nazis. Not something most of us would brag about, even though the results have saved millions of lives.


They weren’t all forced and many chose to use slave labor for their projects. Why are you making excuses for nazis and human rights crimes.

We even later sent some of them back to face punishments for their crimes. It was simple we wanted Nazi tech so we hid their crimes and snuck them back to USA and gave them new identities. Anything to get leg up on the Russians.


Okay, true, but not all of them.

One always has a choice. I’d enter be shot then for example kill hundreds of people.
Quite a few Germans refused and were killed. They died for sacred Germany. They didn’t give up their honor and humanity to survive and make money.
Braun should have been tried and executed not put in charge of nasa
One of few men to be praised and shook hands with Hitler and US presidents.


I doubt any of those scientists knew labor from concentration camps would be worked to death prior to having been brought on board.
In fact, no Germans had been executed for refusing to be involved with concentration camps. They were just sent to other duties. Still, remaining German war criminals use that excuse.
Certainly there were many Germans who had died at the hands of the Nazis. Mostly for opposing Hitler (or even trying to assassinate him, like Stauffenberg, Rommel, Cannaris, and others), political prisoners, gays, Jews, the disabled, etc.

Germans who were sent to shoot Jews and refused were shot and thrown into the pits with the Jews. I got lectured on high school by a ww2 vet who saw the camps then spent his life researching and talking to witness and toured with a slideshow and preventions. He was highly paid. My teacher knew him and so got him to come in few times a year for her humanities class.
Just like they shot and killed those who retreated without orders. It was follow orders or die. They swore an oath to Hitler and the ss one you couldn’t back out of. Don’t belittle the ones who refused and died that’s not ok.
In hitlers Germany you followed orders or you died. Rommel and others found that out. The 6th army found that out. He even had his gfs sisters husband killed.

Bruan knew and didn’t care.


That very well might have been the case with those members of the Nazi Einzatgruppen who had gone along with missions behind Wehrmacht lines to kill Jews, communists, and partisans, then refused to carry out orders on the spot. But they would have known what they had gotten themselves into, and would have had a chance to get a transfer beforehand.


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16 Oct 2019, 10:33 pm

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This reminds me of a funny scene from The Golden Girls when Blanche told a story about how the people in her hometown Atlanta used to burn books when she was a little girl.

And she followed with "But Big Daddy (her father) was outraged! He grabbed that torch, climbed all the way to the top of that pile, and yelled "What are you people doing?! This is lunacy! You start a fire from the bottom!" :lol:


Big Daddy? Did you know that was a reference to Tennessee Williams' Cat On A Hot Tin Roof?


It's actually a pretty common nickname here in the south. So is "Big Mama".


That is also used in the Williams play.
Not to change the subject, but do you have a liking for the works of Tennessee Williams?


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16 Oct 2019, 10:35 pm

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Book burnings were right up the Nazis’ alley....


My guess is that in thousands of years of recorded history burning scrolls and books existed way before then and would exist to this day if Hitler's Nazi Germany never existed.

The fact is a lot of threads are turned into being about Hitler and Nazis.


Well Nazis have a lot in common with the Confederates and some racist Georgia southerners


So do a plethora of other groups that have existed around the world for centuries.


Honestly who really cares? The crimes against humanity commited by the Nazis and Confederates left a much bigger impact on Americans and other countries than those other groups.


The Nazis and Confederates are all dead. This is the 21st century. Why not still be worked up over the Roman Empire?


Because there are still people who support Confederate and Nazi ideologies? Like the KKK, Neo Nazis, and Skinheads?


I take it back. Be worked up. Be very worked up.



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16 Oct 2019, 11:26 pm

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I never blame the regular German person for the behavior of the Nazis.

I’m a Jew who believes we should move on from the Holocaust—but we in the modern age must learn from past misdeeds, and make sure they are not repeated.

We must be vigilant in this.

They’re repeated every day in Africa and Asia, world doesn’t care. :cry:


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16 Oct 2019, 11:37 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
sly279 wrote:
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It's a sign of fascism because actual fascists used to burn the books of people whom the fascists didn't like.

I don't think book-burnings are a good sign of things at all. I think they are a sign of potential trouble.

I certainly wouldn't burn any book----even "Mein Kampf." And I'm a Jew.

You know your history, Sly. You should know who used to do book-burnings all the time.


Facist did a lot of things, are we never allowed to do things facist did? Hitler was vegan and against smoking. So we shouldn’t hate vegans and all smoke right? Most our science and medical stuff came from nazis. NASA was nazi central and we’d never got to the moon without the nazis.

So no just cause people do something the facist did isn’t a sign of facism. This was a small group protesting a forced book nothing more.

Books are just any other object to me they aren’t special. I’ve burned Burke and I’ll do it again, I’ve thrown bunch a way too. Most people don’t care about books. They just another mass produced product to most of us.

You know they burn books thrown away or that don’t sell right?
Books are the past anyways made and sold less and less everything is going digital


German scientists who had been forced to join the SS in order to be used for top secret Nazi war projects got us to the moon.
The medical science gained from the Nazis came out of concentration camps where prisoners who were seen as less than human were used as test subjects by the Nazis. Not something most of us would brag about, even though the results have saved millions of lives.


They weren’t all forced and many chose to use slave labor for their projects. Why are you making excuses for nazis and human rights crimes.

We even later sent some of them back to face punishments for their crimes. It was simple we wanted Nazi tech so we hid their crimes and snuck them back to USA and gave them new identities. Anything to get leg up on the Russians.


Okay, true, but not all of them.

One always has a choice. I’d enter be shot then for example kill hundreds of people.
Quite a few Germans refused and were killed. They died for sacred Germany. They didn’t give up their honor and humanity to survive and make money.
Braun should have been tried and executed not put in charge of nasa
One of few men to be praised and shook hands with Hitler and US presidents.


I doubt any of those scientists knew labor from concentration camps would be worked to death prior to having been brought on board.
In fact, no Germans had been executed for refusing to be involved with concentration camps. They were just sent to other duties. Still, remaining German war criminals use that excuse.
Certainly there were many Germans who had died at the hands of the Nazis. Mostly for opposing Hitler (or even trying to assassinate him, like Stauffenberg, Rommel, Cannaris, and others), political prisoners, gays, Jews, the disabled, etc.

Germans who were sent to shoot Jews and refused were shot and thrown into the pits with the Jews. I got lectured on high school by a ww2 vet who saw the camps then spent his life researching and talking to witness and toured with a slideshow and preventions. He was highly paid. My teacher knew him and so got him to come in few times a year for her humanities class.
Just like they shot and killed those who retreated without orders. It was follow orders or die. They swore an oath to Hitler and the ss one you couldn’t back out of. Don’t belittle the ones who refused and died that’s not ok.
In hitlers Germany you followed orders or you died. Rommel and others found that out. The 6th army found that out. He even had his gfs sisters husband killed.

Bruan knew and didn’t care.


That very well might have been the case with those members of the Nazi Einzatgruppen who had gone along with missions behind Wehrmacht lines to kill Jews, communists, and partisans, then refused to carry out orders on the spot. But they would have known what they had gotten themselves into, and would have had a chance to get a transfer beforehand.


Any of the ss were suppose to kill Jews and follow orders so no I’d reckon a lot didn’t know what they’d got themselves into before they were too deep. They didn’t have posters saying “join the ss and kill Jews” Hitler didn’t want the public knowing about the final solution. Just as Stalin didn’t want his people knowing. Just as the western powers don’t want their atrocities known. So sorry once you swore a oath to ss that was it. That’s why no ss soldier was considered possible to be innocent, that’s why often they were shot on sight, that’s why most tried to get rid of their uniforms and look like regulate Tripp’s and that’s why we had to keep them separate so the regular pows wouldn’t kill them.
So the guy signing up to join the ss didn’t know heed be killing millions of innocent people when he joined. It was portrayed as a elite fighting force and they took people the regular army wouldn’t. Much like in America most wanted to do their patriotic duty. Once in most were so twisted they enjoyed it. Imagine marine boot camp but way dehumanizing and way more propaganda and brainwashing. Oh and they were most all taking meth. It was stand issue in all German military rations until later in the war. I’d be terrified to serve in Germany army in ww2. Though there are cases of cowards in the us army getting killed by friendly fire too. They shot and hung up old men and disabled vets who refused to fight. They certainly weren’t going let someone find out about the finally solution who disagrees just transfer so they can tell the world. So you either learned to enjoy it, learn to dull yourself or you died.
Those in the regular army were lucky they got deemed fit to serve.
The Wehrmacht didn’t like the SS. There’s actually a battle where they fought against them along side American troops.

You like to see the world as black in white but it’s a dirty grey. But hey if you want to see all Germany solider as horrible Jew killers go head noting anyone says will stop you.
I personally won’t ignore the nameless who died trying to do something.


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16 Oct 2019, 11:45 pm

sly279 wrote:
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sly279 wrote:
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It's a sign of fascism because actual fascists used to burn the books of people whom the fascists didn't like.

I don't think book-burnings are a good sign of things at all. I think they are a sign of potential trouble.

I certainly wouldn't burn any book----even "Mein Kampf." And I'm a Jew.

You know your history, Sly. You should know who used to do book-burnings all the time.


Facist did a lot of things, are we never allowed to do things facist did? Hitler was vegan and against smoking. So we shouldn’t hate vegans and all smoke right? Most our science and medical stuff came from nazis. NASA was nazi central and we’d never got to the moon without the nazis.

So no just cause people do something the facist did isn’t a sign of facism. This was a small group protesting a forced book nothing more.

Books are just any other object to me they aren’t special. I’ve burned Burke and I’ll do it again, I’ve thrown bunch a way too. Most people don’t care about books. They just another mass produced product to most of us.

You know they burn books thrown away or that don’t sell right?
Books are the past anyways made and sold less and less everything is going digital


German scientists who had been forced to join the SS in order to be used for top secret Nazi war projects got us to the moon.
The medical science gained from the Nazis came out of concentration camps where prisoners who were seen as less than human were used as test subjects by the Nazis. Not something most of us would brag about, even though the results have saved millions of lives.


They weren’t all forced and many chose to use slave labor for their projects. Why are you making excuses for nazis and human rights crimes.

We even later sent some of them back to face punishments for their crimes. It was simple we wanted Nazi tech so we hid their crimes and snuck them back to USA and gave them new identities. Anything to get leg up on the Russians.


Okay, true, but not all of them.

One always has a choice. I’d enter be shot then for example kill hundreds of people.
Quite a few Germans refused and were killed. They died for sacred Germany. They didn’t give up their honor and humanity to survive and make money.
Braun should have been tried and executed not put in charge of nasa
One of few men to be praised and shook hands with Hitler and US presidents.


I doubt any of those scientists knew labor from concentration camps would be worked to death prior to having been brought on board.
In fact, no Germans had been executed for refusing to be involved with concentration camps. They were just sent to other duties. Still, remaining German war criminals use that excuse.
Certainly there were many Germans who had died at the hands of the Nazis. Mostly for opposing Hitler (or even trying to assassinate him, like Stauffenberg, Rommel, Cannaris, and others), political prisoners, gays, Jews, the disabled, etc.

Germans who were sent to shoot Jews and refused were shot and thrown into the pits with the Jews. I got lectured on high school by a ww2 vet who saw the camps then spent his life researching and talking to witness and toured with a slideshow and preventions. He was highly paid. My teacher knew him and so got him to come in few times a year for her humanities class.
Just like they shot and killed those who retreated without orders. It was follow orders or die. They swore an oath to Hitler and the ss one you couldn’t back out of. Don’t belittle the ones who refused and died that’s not ok.
In hitlers Germany you followed orders or you died. Rommel and others found that out. The 6th army found that out. He even had his gfs sisters husband killed.

Bruan knew and didn’t care.


That very well might have been the case with those members of the Nazi Einzatgruppen who had gone along with missions behind Wehrmacht lines to kill Jews, communists, and partisans, then refused to carry out orders on the spot. But they would have known what they had gotten themselves into, and would have had a chance to get a transfer beforehand.


Any of the ss were suppose to kill Jews and follow orders so no I’d reckon a lot didn’t know what they’d got themselves into before they were too deep. They didn’t have posters saying “join the ss and kill Jews” Hitler didn’t want the public knowing about the final solution. Just as Stalin didn’t want his people knowing. Just as the western powers don’t want their atrocities known. So sorry once you swore a oath to ss that was it. That’s why no ss soldier was considered possible to be innocent, that’s why often they were shot on sight, that’s why most tried to get rid of their uniforms and look like regulate Tripp’s and that’s why we had to keep them separate so the regular pows wouldn’t kill them.
So the guy signing up to join the ss didn’t know heed be killing millions of innocent people when he joined. It was portrayed as a elite fighting force and they took people the regular army wouldn’t. Much like in America most wanted to do their patriotic duty. Once in most were so twisted they enjoyed it. Imagine marine boot camp but way dehumanizing and way more propaganda and brainwashing. Oh and they were most all taking meth. It was stand issue in all German military rations until later in the war. I’d be terrified to serve in Germany army in ww2. Though there are cases of cowards in the us army getting killed by friendly fire too. They shot and hung up old men and disabled vets who refused to fight. They certainly weren’t going let someone find out about the finally solution who disagrees just transfer so they can tell the world. So you either learned to enjoy it, learn to dull yourself or you died.
Those in the regular army were lucky they got deemed fit to serve.
The Wehrmacht didn’t like the SS. There’s actually a battle where they fought against them along side American troops.


Yes, I'm aware of the incident where German Wehrmacht soldiers fought alongside Allied troops against the SS at the end of the war. A movie based on that incident is being made.
The SS were fanatical Nazis, the true believers. They would have been totally dedicated to carrying out the edicts of Nazism, including mass murder. But there were actually two branches of the SS: those who served in combat, and those who worked in the death camps. The latter group were made up of men and women who almost always went in with their eyes open.


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Again how? Fine me any recruitement posters about killing Jews that were posted all over Germany to get ss recruits.


They of course weren't told any such thing on recruitment posters. That was saved for during training and indoctrination, which was all top secret.


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Again how? Fine me any recruitement posters about killing Jews that were posted all over Germany to get ss recruits.


They of course weren't told any such thing on recruitment posters. That was saved for during training and indoctrination, which was all top secret.

Highly doubt they were told then. They’d be trained and indoctrinated to point they’d do anything they ordered to then told about it.
Especially the first mass killings with were spontaneous.
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Again how? Fine me any recruitement posters about killing Jews that were posted all over Germany to get ss recruits.


They of course weren't told any such thing on recruitment posters. That was saved for during training and indoctrination, which was all top secret.


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Again how? Fine me any recruitement posters about killing Jews that were posted all over Germany to get ss recruits.


They of course weren't told any such thing on recruitment posters. That was saved for during training and indoctrination, which was all top secret.


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