Trump asks 3M to stop selling N95 masks to Canada

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Wtf?

Racist?

There is ZERO mention of race.

As for the rest of it: Too bad for anyone in this thread who wants to make posts about America is for Americans only and F everyone else. Too bad for them if their feelings are hurt when I point out that our supply chains and economies are intricately interwoven and we’re dependent on one another. Too bad for them if they’re upset that I think N95 masks should be sent to the World’s doctors and nurses and citizens should not be able to buy them/should only be able to buy leftovers. Tough. We’re all in this thing together - we make masks together, we’ll survive it together. Not apart as some wish.

Wow. It’s because he continues to bungle it at every step. How can you not see this? Almost 100% of the things he has said or done for this crisis have made things worse.

It’s a hoax. State governors should fend for themselves. “Guidelines,” say masks are voluntary but he won’t be wearing one.. even the fact that your country has “voluntary guidelines,” about how to mitigate this crisis is a joke. Every other country or region that’s had a better outcome has Orders from their leadership/health experts that are enforced via law enforcement & fines. There are FAR too many of the orange guy’s lies and miss-steps to list, but even you should be able to see the Net result of them: a skyrocketing infection rate and body count in the USA, in large part due to the failed leadership of your president trump. Hell, even the Boston Globe recently wrote an op-Ed about how he has blood on his hands for his handling of this pandemic.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.msnbc.c ... 1522245875



Unrelated: Canada has a poor track record of how it treats Indigenous people that’s coming to light more and more in recent times especially due to pipeline politics. Canada can and should do better. As more and more Canadians learn the truth, Indigenous people have more support in their fights against Canada. It’s a work in progress that’s still going to take a lot of time to make right.

You said your health care workers are in better shape than ours.
Our workers are running out of supplies and are wearing used masks over and over.They are catching the virus from lack of supplies.They need masks the most right now.Especially New York.
No one here ever said we wanted to keep them all for ourselves for the duration of this crisis.

I never said anything about America being better than Canada.Not one word.You sure go on about how great Canada is and how crappy we are.

It’s related to this thread since you seem to think your nation is perfect and treats it’s citizens sooo much better than America.Yeah.....your white citizens.

They’re in better shape in part because they still have PPE for now, but you seem to be okay with taking that away from them and letting them get infected and die. I am not okay with that.

IMO trump (who has more power to do so than any other world leader, as with most things) should be leading a global effort to ensure needed N95’s go to frontline healthcare workers and Zero of them go to citizens. Once every doctor/nurse/frontline healthcare worker on the planet has an adequate supply of N95’s and other PPE, and there are adequate reserves, Then is lowly citizens can have access to buying them if we choose to vs more basic or homemade masks.

But yeah, No, I would never agree that Canadian doctors & nurses should go without PPE and risk their lives because they’re not dying yet. An action like that would put them at unnecessary risk of illness or death. So, get PPE to American doctors, but don’t withhold it from other doctors in the process. Withhold it from citizens and the global supply should be adequate for healthcare workers. (I Think but don’t Know the numbers to be certain. But I do know private citizens who’s need for them is far less are buying these items and IMO they shouldn’t be allowed rn.)

I’ve never said it’s perfect. Not have I ever claimed white privilege doesn’t exist in Canada - it does, and as a tall white presenting male, I benefit from it. I’ve been very transparent about these things.

But it doesn’t change that non white Canadians are still treated far better than non white Americans. In terms of everything. Jobs, opportunities, education, healthcare etc you name the metric a non white Canadian, on average, has a FAR better life than a non white American. Also, on average, Indigenous Canadians have about the Worst life experience in Canada - something else I have said many times needs attention and improvement here.

So are our staff suppose to do without in NY and NOLA right now?The need is urgent here right NOW.Once they have adequate supplies then by all means ship to other nations.
I don’t think the general public needs medical masks.

I said No doctors or nurses or frontline healthcare workers anywhere should go without them. Get masks to all of them. In NYC, USA, Canada, Latin America, and everywhere else.

Zero of them should be in the hands of citizens. Expropriate them from private citizen/corporate stockpiles. Prevent them from being sent anywhere but hospitals.

Well, I’m not so sure about that claim.There probably is better medical programs and other assistance but you have racism there.Most likely more than you’ll admit to.
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... ack-racism

I sincerely hope no one thinks I am anti-American. I expressed a view about American healthcare because I think it's horrible for people to incur medical debt in an Industrialised nation such as the USA. That's just my opinion, although it was off-topic in conversation with Goldfish. Regarding the mask issue, I believe Trump does have the right to protect America with a war measures act and a right to serve Americans first. My only issue is that if he forbids medical export, he should also forbid medical import, including Hydroxychloroquine and raw materials needed for medical production in the US. Likewise, he shouldn't be hijacking supplies which were sold to other countries (masks made for Germany, Mexico, Canada, etc). If he wants to close his borders on trade to protect Americans that's his prerogative, but in my opinion he should also refuse all imports. Doing otherwise and decimating the world market of medical provisions (by hoarding and corruption) is poor leadership.

I'm not American but a majority of my mother's family is, including some medical workers.

Godspeed to everyone at this time. I hope all countries can survive this nightmare.

People of colour are far better off here than the USA. It’s indisputable. I live in one of the most racially and culturally diverse metro regions on the face of the Earth. All peoples, languages, religions, food, music etc - it’s quite the blend. It’s not perfect here, but it is good.

How many times do I have to say racism and white privilege exist here before you accept that I acknowledge both?

Well said.

That’s the issue with trump - he wants to have his cake and eat it, too. He wants everything to be for him and his interests, everyone else be damned. He thinks he should double end win on every trade or negotiation. He should be able to keep whatever America produces AND take whatever anyone else produces. Lol FRO; there has to be a give-take balance, cooperation, and mutual benefit.

I’m down for that.We do have to help the hospitals here in our own backyard first.Then we can help others and send surplus.
Trump should not interfere with what has been already destined for another nation.
Truly wish someone else was in office right now.

I believe you if you also admit there are cities in America just as diverse and accepting.
Not so sure I buy into the whole of Canada being that open .There are always pockets of hate .
If I ever meet a person of color from Canada I’ll ask them.
https://www.cbc.ca/firsthand/m_blog/don ... -tolerance

The problem is in the way you say things. You don't see other posters frequently writing "I didn't say that" "That's not what I meant" etc.

In any subway car in NYC, you can hear 10 languages being spoken.

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