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28 May 2020, 5:32 am

ah yiddish: refers to a person, especially a man, who is regarded as pitifully ineffectual, timid, or submissive.
"He's a nebbish. No money, no prestige, no future." but both of them were sorta on the upper side of middle class if not full out upper mid. nebbishes aren't that. why not Meschugena and Meschugener?



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28 May 2020, 5:38 am

A nebbish is more of a nag, to me—more like a passive-aggressive one. Like a pestering gnat.

I suppose they both could have been meschuganahs.



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28 May 2020, 4:17 pm

If this woman truly felt threatened, she would have walked away with her dog, not let her dog go towards him. It's not like the man had a weapon on him and he wasn't chasing after her. If she had walked away and he followed her, that would have been a different story. Just as long as he didn't grab her, touch her and stayed a distant from her, no threat.

I agree this maybe wouldn't have been news if the man were white and she had that same reaction. I have heard of white woman over reacting towards white men when the man wasn't even posing a threat. I have been followed by some man in the streets of Paris who was trying to sell me a watch or something. In Paris, the sidewalks are filled with people trying to sell things and they target tourists. One of them actually followed me and I kept on walking away until he gave up. I didn't feel threatened one bit. Maybe because there were people around, and he wasn't grabbing me and wasn't screaming at me. He was also black and I didn't feel threatened so there you go. I didn't yell for help. I didn't feel threatened. He was just a pushy seller. I don't feel threatened by pushy sellers, I find them annoying so I ignore them and keep walking.


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28 May 2020, 4:34 pm

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I happen to like the name Karen.

Why not call both combatants “nebbishes”!


For one, neither of the probably speak Yiddish and the Yiddish word that they're more likely to be familiar is putz.


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28 May 2020, 4:36 pm

League_Girl wrote:
If this woman truly felt threatened, she would have walked away with her dog, not let her dog go towards him.


Different people act differently when they are threatened. There is a term for it: "fight or flight". So what you suggest is an example of "flight". What the woman did is an example of "fight". Both are the reactions to the threat.

Its true that in her case "flight" would have been more "rational" decision than "fight" (the guy was probably bigger and stronger than her, for one thing). But when people are threatened they oftentimes don't act rationally. The brain doesn't have time to process the rational thought, so it becomes more about an instinct.

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It's not like the man had a weapon on him


How was she supposed to know that?

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and he wasn't chasing after her.


Not *yet*. But how was she supposed to know that he wasn't *about* to? Nobody would have been able to predict he would have done what he did. So how was she supposed to know what he was going to do next?

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If she had walked away and he followed her, that would have been a different story. Just as long as he didn't grab her, touch her and stayed a distant from her, no threat.


Once again, there was no way of knowing he wasn't "about" to do those things. And if she were to wait "until" he were to do this, it might have become too late.

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I agree this maybe wouldn't have been news if the man were white and she had that same reaction.


Exactly.

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I have been followed by some man in the streets of Paris who was trying to sell me a watch or something. In Paris, the sidewalks are filled with people trying to sell things and they target tourists. One of them actually followed me and I kept on walking away until he gave up. I didn't feel threatened one bit. Maybe because there were people around, and he wasn't grabbing me and wasn't screaming at me. He was also black and I didn't feel threatened so there you go. I didn't yell for help. I didn't feel threatened. He was just a pushy seller. I don't feel threatened by pushy sellers, I find them annoying so I ignore them and keep walking.


The difference is that, as annoying as sells people are, there is nothing out of ordinary. So you "knew" that most likely that man wasn't going to do anything "else" since sells people usually don't. On the other hand, what that man did to that woman "was" highly unusual to put it mildly. Since nobody else ever done this sort of thing, there was no way for that woman to know he won't do anything else.



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28 May 2020, 4:38 pm

I think they were both highly strung, successful, competitive individuals who thought they were being smart and while the man's words were poorly chosen the woman obviously (at least as far her employer was concerned) crossed a line too far and judging from the promptness of her contacting newsmedia she was in damage control long before she got the sack.



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28 May 2020, 4:41 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I happen to like the name Karen.

Why not call both combatants “nebbishes”!


It reminds me of the Family Guy episode where Stewie and Brian had herpes, and Brian suggested calling it "boppo".


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28 May 2020, 4:42 pm

QFT wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
If this woman truly felt threatened, she would have walked away with her dog, not let her dog go towards him.


Different people act differently when they are threatened. There is a term for it: "fight or flight". So what you suggest is an example of "flight". What the woman did is an example of "fight". Both are the reactions to the threat.

Its true that in her case "flight" would have been more "rational" decision than "fight" (the guy was probably bigger and stronger than her, for one thing). But when people are threatened they oftentimes don't act rationally. The brain doesn't have time to process the rational thought, so it becomes more about an instinct.

Right, it's a horrible assumption to make.

Imagine a rapist's defense lawyer arguing, "She didn't run, so she must not of been threatened".


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28 May 2020, 4:45 pm

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QFT wrote:
League_Girl wrote:
If this woman truly felt threatened, she would have walked away with her dog, not let her dog go towards him.


Different people act differently when they are threatened. There is a term for it: "fight or flight". So what you suggest is an example of "flight". What the woman did is an example of "fight". Both are the reactions to the threat.

Its true that in her case "flight" would have been more "rational" decision than "fight" (the guy was probably bigger and stronger than her, for one thing). But when people are threatened they oftentimes don't act rationally. The brain doesn't have time to process the rational thought, so it becomes more about an instinct.

Right, it's a horrible assumption to make.

Imagine a rapist's defense lawyer arguing, "She didn't run, so she must not of been threatened".


Exactly. Some people freeze up when they are threatened. And then rapists use this sort of thing to deny any wrongdoing on their part.



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28 May 2020, 4:45 pm

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Imagine a rapist's defense lawyer arguing, "She didn't run, so she must not of been threatened".


How is filming her dog equate to rape?



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28 May 2020, 4:49 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Imagine a rapist's defense lawyer arguing, "She didn't run, so she must not of been threatened".


How is filming her dog equate to rape?


Nobody besides him films peoples dogs and nobody besides him tries to lure anybody's dogs either.

If he does what nobody else does, then he is unpredictable.

If he is unpredictable and his actions so far are all negative, how does she know that he isn't about to turn in 100 times more negative?

I mean she didn't predict that he would start trying to lure the dog and film it. Yet that is exactly what he did. What else is he going to do that she can't predict?



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28 May 2020, 4:51 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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Imagine a rapist's defense lawyer arguing, "She didn't run, so she must not of been threatened".


How is filming her dog equate to rape?

League Girl suggests blaming the woman because she didn't run.

This is what a rapist's defense attorney might do.

"She didn't run, so she must not of been threatened by my client's sexual advances".

When in truth, maybe she was, but her body didn't react that way.


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28 May 2020, 7:29 pm

I think Christian Cooper is strange and no doubt his behaviour most likely triggered the response in his namesake Amy Cooper.

But I am seeing the bigger picture....Amy's response is literally a perfect example of a Rorshach's test for implicit bias which in my view is more of a concern than the man's strange/odd quirks.



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28 May 2020, 7:41 pm

Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.



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28 May 2020, 8:08 pm

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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


Bigger picture is society wide....as for the dude with the dog bones, he didn't actually cause harm other than create anxiety in the mind of Amy Cooper.



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28 May 2020, 8:09 pm

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Threatening people is more serious than implicit bias. A bias is protected by freedom of thought; luring other people's dogs isn't. And bias doesn't make people feel unsafe -- unless it is KKK-level bias -- while that guy's behavior does.


The nature of the threat matters and at this point the antagonist has already conceded that she was in the wrong. If she understands that she was in the wrong you can stop pretending she wasn't in the wrong.


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