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06 Jul 2021, 4:06 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.
The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.
And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.
Capitalism rewards productivity.
Socialism rewards non-productivity.
See a problem ?
And how exactly is socialism a danger to capitalist America? are you saying that minimum wage? subsidised education or medical care is somehow a danger to society
Minimum wage, subsidized education, and free health care are already conditionally available.
American Socialists appear to want an array of other programs that take money from productive people, and give it to non-productive people.
For example, UBI (Universal Basic Income) a program that able-bodied people can get a free monthly income without having to do productive work.
San Francisco to pay 'essential' artists $1,000 per month basic income
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-fr ... d-pandemic
Those able bodied people will still go without even if they want to work, if employers continue to hire as few workers as possible, work them for as long as they can, and pay them as little as they can get away with. Yes, employers do have a responsibility beyond just making money for themselves. They are responsible for keeping as many people gainfully employed as possible, even though they'll come up with every and any excuse not to.
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Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Are you conveniently ignoring thousands of refugees who escape right wing military juntas since the end of WW2 or do you consider such regimes paradise on earth?
The discussion was about "socialism", so "whataboutisms" regarding other types of governments people flee are irrelevent... Please try to avoid derailing the thread.
Actually the thread is about the somewhat amusing hysteria over a claim BLM is dismantling society. I didn't see socialism mentioned anywhere.
Let's see... We start with a thread of 6 posts:
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
TheRobotLives wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
i don't believe that for a second.
The article states they want to dismantle Capitalism.
And what is wrong with that? I'm a socialist, so meh.
Capitalism rewards productivity.
Socialism rewards non-productivity.
See a problem ?
And how exactly is socialism a danger to capitalist America? are you saying that minimum wage? subsidised education or medical care is somehow a danger to society
You'd be best to ask those who fled Socialist countries to reach Capitalist America:
Quote:
According to the analysis, a six-month deep dive into the messaging in various 2020 contests around the country, the socialism attack was the one that stung the most. Again, here's the report:
"The socialism attack was called out by many Members of Congress and candidates who were not successful who believe it hurt campaigns in states and districts with immigrant populations that fled socialist governments, including among Venezuelan, Cuban, Vietnamese, and Filipino voters."
"The socialism attack was called out by many Members of Congress and candidates who were not successful who believe it hurt campaigns in states and districts with immigrant populations that fled socialist governments, including among Venezuelan, Cuban, Vietnamese, and Filipino voters."
Source: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/06/07/politics/democrats-socialist-trump/index.html
It's informative to see how many people leave Socialist countries to reach Capitalist ones, yet how few of those advocating the introduction of Socialism to Capitalist countries choose to relocate to a Socialist country, despite having the means to do so... Why might that be?
This has an excerpt taken (highlighted above):
cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
You'd be best to ask those who fled Socialist countries to reach Capitalist America:
?
?
An old claim. The real reason people leave these countries is not because they are socialist, its because they are authoritarian and militaristic, there was already existing poverty and lack of opportunity before socialism every set foot in these places (remember colonialism?).
Are you conveniently ignoring thousands of refugees who escape right wing military juntas since the end of WW2 or do you consider such regimes paradise on earth?
Which is in turn excerpted (highlighted in post):
Brictoria wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Are you conveniently ignoring thousands of refugees who escape right wing military juntas since the end of WW2 or do you consider such regimes paradise on earth?
The discussion was about "socialism", so "whataboutisms" regarding other types of governments people flee are irrelevent... Please try to avoid derailing the thread.
So, yes, this thread (being a component thread\sub-thread of another, core\main thread) is indeed about Socialism, and the "whataboutism" was called out as a result.
In fact, I believe, reading the initial section which you trimmed, it was yourself who specifically enquired as to "how exactly is socialism a danger to capitalist America?", and then appeared to resort to whataboutisms when a responce was supplied - And subsequently appear to be denying any mention of Socialism in the thread, despite having made posts related to Socialism as little as 3 hours before denying it is even mentioned within that very same thread...
It's difficult to have any form of discussion with people who pretend something they posted (or a thread they participated in) doesn't exist, particularly when that which they deny exists on the same page as their denial.
Oh for goodness sake
doesn't this mean the thread was already derailed? that was my point. The self-described white skunk started this thread to create the latest boogyman (BLM) whom we should be checking under our beds along with GOP postal ballots, commies, antifa, pedophile rings, kenyans masquerading as US presidents and other assorted kooky ideas.
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06 Jul 2021, 1:51 pm
Jiheisho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I'd hate to see what an angry protest is like. EEP! 
Kyle Rittenhouse ring a bell? Timothy McVeigh?
People keep trying to convince the world that Autists have empathy. I have to say, I am just not feeling it...
Are you not feeling that autists have empathy or that the world can be convinced that autists have empathy?
06 Jul 2021, 2:30 pm
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Jiheisho wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I'd hate to see what an angry protest is like. EEP!
Kyle Rittenhouse ring a bell? Timothy McVeigh?
People keep trying to convince the world that Autists have empathy. I have to say, I am just not feeling it...
Are you not feeling that autists have empathy or that the world can be convinced that autists have empathy?
I used to tell people that ASD did not prevent us from having empathy. WP has convinced me that I was wrong in my assumption.
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06 Jul 2021, 4:00 pm
auntblabby wrote:
"feeling sorry" for them just encourages them. i am reminded of ray bradbury's work "something wicked this way comes," where dr. dark says, "...We are the hungry ones. Your torments call us like dogs in the night. And we do feed, and feed well. And butter our plain bread with delicious pain. That is our diet. We suck that misery and find it sweet. We search for more always...."
I appreciate that you are a literate man, Blabby!
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06 Jul 2021, 4:26 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
"feeling sorry" for them just encourages them. i am reminded of ray bradbury's work "something wicked this way comes," where dr. dark says, "...We are the hungry ones. Your torments call us like dogs in the night. And we do feed, and feed well. And butter our plain bread with delicious pain. That is our diet. We suck that misery and find it sweet. We search for more always...."
I appreciate that you are a literate man, Blabby!
thank you
i'm glad we now seem to have a charles halloway biden as POTUS instead of a dr. dark j. trump.
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