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11 Mar 2022, 3:36 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
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The damage Biden has done to our country is astounding,

Could you give an example?


I would, but only if someone else asks me. I've already stated my case to you multiple times in other threads.


Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


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11 Mar 2022, 3:38 pm

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my uncivil service pension was delayed almost a fkkking YEAR! in a process only supposed to take a couple of months. my congressmen told me he was stiff-armed by trumpy's people he installed in OMB, who were likely told to slow application processing way down or limited by personnel cuts.


More than enough reason for me to hate Trump!


People have reason to hate Biden, also. :wink:


Well, they hate Biden, sure. But do they have any real, sane reason for their hatred, other than believing the crap that he stole the election from Trump, or some other loony reason?


Yes they do. Unless that is Biden is some sort of messiah who can do no wrong. Sound familiar?


None of Biden's voters ever called him a messiah.
Just what reasons is Biden worthy of hatred?


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11 Mar 2022, 6:33 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The damage Biden has done to our country is astounding,

Could you give an example?


I would, but only if someone else asks me. I've already stated my case to you multiple times in other threads.


Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


He was an author of the 1994 Crime Bill would exploded the prison population.

He voted in favor of NAFTA, and we all know how horrible that was for workers.

He was one of the authors of The Patriot Act.

He voted in favor of the Iraq War, and pretty much every war since.

Since the beginning of his presidency, he's backed down on pretty much all his campaign promises.

Is that enough? I could go further.


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11 Mar 2022, 6:45 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The damage Biden has done to our country is astounding,

Could you give an example?


I would, but only if someone else asks me. I've already stated my case to you multiple times in other threads.


Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


He was an author of the 1994 Crime Bill would exploded the prison population.

He voted in favor of NAFTA, and we all know how horrible that was for workers.

He was one of the authors of The Patriot Act.

He voted in favor of the Iraq War, and pretty much every war since.

Since the beginning of his presidency, he's backed down on pretty much all his campaign promises.

Is that enough? I could go further.


But at least he hasn't used his office to enrich himself, or allied himself to hostile, anti-democratic leaders, or hasn't centered around himself a fascistic, racist cult of personality like his predecessor. While Biden was hardly anyone's first choice, he's still infinitely better than the alternative.


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11 Mar 2022, 6:49 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Matrix Glitch wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
my uncivil service pension was delayed almost a fkkking YEAR! in a process only supposed to take a couple of months. my congressmen told me he was stiff-armed by trumpy's people he installed in OMB, who were likely told to slow application processing way down or limited by personnel cuts.


More than enough reason for me to hate Trump!


People have reason to hate Biden, also. :wink:


Well, they hate Biden, sure. But do they have any real, sane reason for their hatred, other than believing the crap that he stole the election from Trump, or some other loony reason?


Yes they do. Unless that is Biden is some sort of messiah who can do no wrong. Sound familiar?


None of Biden's voters ever called him a messiah.
Just what reasons is Biden worthy of hatred?


Afghanistan.



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11 Mar 2022, 6:58 pm

The_Znof wrote:
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People have reason to hate Biden, also. :wink:


why all the hate? I just think they both suck.



So do I.
They are both politicians after all. 8)



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11 Mar 2022, 7:02 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The damage Biden has done to our country is astounding,

Could you give an example?


I would, but only if someone else asks me. I've already stated my case to you multiple times in other threads.


Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


He was an author of the 1994 Crime Bill would exploded the prison population.

He voted in favor of NAFTA, and we all know how horrible that was for workers.

He was one of the authors of The Patriot Act.

He voted in favor of the Iraq War, and pretty much every war since.

Since the beginning of his presidency, he's backed down on pretty much all his campaign promises.

Is that enough? I could go further.


But at least he hasn't used his office to enrich himself, or allied himself to hostile, anti-democratic leaders, or hasn't centered around himself a fascistic, racist cult of personality like his predecessor. While Biden was hardly anyone's first choice, he's still infinitely better than the alternative.


Of course he's enriched himself! All corporate Dems and Pubs are in bed with the same corporate donor class. He's worth millions!

Are you that naive?


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11 Mar 2022, 7:02 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The damage Biden has done to our country is astounding,

Could you give an example?


I would, but only if someone else asks me. I've already stated my case to you multiple times in other threads.


Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


Firstly, do you have an open mind?



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11 Mar 2022, 7:06 pm

Veg-

I'll give you that. But Trumpy blatantly violated laws in a way that would make the rest of them look like amateurs.


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11 Mar 2022, 7:13 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The_Walrus wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
The damage Biden has done to our country is astounding,

Could you give an example?


I would, but only if someone else asks me. I've already stated my case to you multiple times in other threads.


Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


He was an author of the 1994 Crime Bill would exploded the prison population.

He voted in favor of NAFTA, and we all know how horrible that was for workers.

He was one of the authors of The Patriot Act.

He voted in favor of the Iraq War, and pretty much every war since.

Since the beginning of his presidency, he's backed down on pretty much all his campaign promises.

Is that enough? I could go further.


But at least he hasn't used his office to enrich himself, or allied himself to hostile, anti-democratic leaders, or hasn't centered around himself a fascistic, racist cult of personality like his predecessor. While Biden was hardly anyone's first choice, he's still infinitely better than the alternative.


Erm...
Ukraine-gate...
China-gate...

Quote:
Has anything been proven against the Bidens?

While no criminal activity has been proven, it has raised questions about potential conflicts of interest.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-54553132

Just call me a skeptical skunk. ;)



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11 Mar 2022, 7:15 pm

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Of course he's enriched himself! All corporate Dems and Pubs are in bed with the same corporate donor class. He's worth millions!

Are you that naive?


This is my assessment, also.



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11 Mar 2022, 7:33 pm

VegetableMan wrote:
Of course he's enriched himself! All corporate Dems and Pubs are in bed with the same corporate donor class. He's worth millions!

Are you that naive?


I'm curious, given the republicans openly enrich themselves as well, I assume there' a reason you dislike it when a democrat does it more than the former is because.......(insert answer here)



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11 Mar 2022, 7:36 pm

^ Personally I have a lot of resentment toward false prophets.

I'm somewhat of an anarchist so you can't really pin me anywhere specific on the political scale.



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11 Mar 2022, 7:41 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Alright, I'll ask it: please give an example.


You're not asking me, but I'll answer generally. Biden is garden-variety corrupt. I say garden variety not to diminish the scale, because the scale has been vast. I say garden variety in kind. It's ordinary stuff that politicians do. Not the over-the-top stuff of the Clintons, or the insidious stuff of the Obamas, or the wanton avarice of the Trumps. Just plain, old serving of the already wealthy for his small cut, and a cut for his family. He's almost wholesome compared to the Clintons, but he is corrupt.

The harm he does is occupying the space that someone else could occupy. Someone who gives a crap about non-elite people.



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11 Mar 2022, 7:42 pm

cyberdad wrote:
VegetableMan wrote:
Of course he's enriched himself! All corporate Dems and Pubs are in bed with the same corporate donor class. He's worth millions!

Are you that naive?


I'm curious, given the republicans openly enrich themselves as well, I assume there' a reason you dislike it when a democrat does it more than the former is because.......(insert answer here)


Read my words again. This time, more slowly.


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11 Mar 2022, 7:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Veg-

I'll give you that. But Trumpy blatantly violated laws in a way that would make the rest of them look like amateurs.


He's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump, he's not Trump...