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26 May 2022, 12:44 am

"UVALDE, Texas — The teacher came to her door Wednesday evening, eyes puffy from hours of crying and almost no sleep.
“What do you want me to say?” she asked a reporter. “That I can’t eat? That all I hear are their voices screaming? And I can’t help them?”
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... -rcna30571

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The teacher hasn’t begun to think about what next school year will be like, if she can even bring herself to return. First, there will be funerals to attend. Interviews with investigators, who she said won’t ever really be able to explain what would lead someone to shoot up a class full of children.

“I want you to say this in your article,” the teacher said before she pulled her screen door closed. “Our children did not deserve this. They were loved. Not only by their families, but their family at school.”
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26 May 2022, 1:13 am

Brictoria wrote:
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I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.


I'm surprised nobody on the right is supporting gun control in this case--the shooter was Hispanic.


The right's belief in gun ownership isn't predicated on race, but on the prinicple of people (regardless of ancestry) being permitted to own firearms: Only a racist or person with double standards would consider, suggest, or push for laws which treated people differently based on their race, and to date there has been no such push (as far as I am aware) regardless of crime involving firearms used by people of varying racial backgrounds... At present, the left are actually the greatest proponents of racism, seeking to divide people into groups based on their race and pushing for disparate treatment based upon their membership of these groups, rather than treating people with equal dignity and consideration regardless of their race.

One could more accurately question why the left are so supportive of gun control, given:
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It's interesting that the right are more in tune with Karl Marx than the left are here...


Actually, it had been the American right's arch saint, Ronald Reagan, who had pushed for a gun control law as governor of California, after the Black Panthers had showed up at the state capitol packing heat. He and his allies certainly had a problem with African Americans bearing arms.
As for Karl Marx - - he was the father of communism, not the father of American liberalism. Regardless of what the right maintains, the two aren't the same.


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26 May 2022, 1:18 am

Pepe wrote:
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I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.


You rang? 8)

But I don't see this as a republican or democrat thing.
I see it more in terms of it being a "Deep State" thang. 8)


And the "Deep State" is a figment of the American right's fevered imagination.


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26 May 2022, 1:26 am

Just when you thought the American right couldn't get any more hateful with their lies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trans-womans ... 49248.html


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26 May 2022, 1:43 am

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Just when you thought the American right couldn't get any more hateful with their lies.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trans-womans ... 49248.html


4chan trolls aren't exactly known for being the "loving or healing" type



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26 May 2022, 1:54 am

Brictoria wrote:
Regarding your first point - As I understand it, the NRA are in favour of responsible gun ownership\use. Are you saying that what occurred at the school was "responsible gun ownership\use"? Or that people should not be behind groups\organistaions that endorse\push "responsible gun ownership\use"? Attending something organised by a group supporting "responsible gun ownership\use" would send a message that this is important - backing out would indicate that a person did not believe in this.


The NRA seem happy for Carlson to speak on their behalf.
https://www.americas1stfreedom.org/cont ... r-carlson/

On the matter of Tucker Carlson being quoted out of context in the video I posted, the quotes he made in full can't be misinterpreted. He quite obviously zeros in on culpability for black shooters particularly a propensity to plan to murder yet he seems focused on the mental health of white shooters. A reasonable person would come to the same conclusion,

BTW the MNSBC compare doing the story (who you accuse of misconduct) is holding the same position with that news channel that Tucker Carlson once had. I'm fairly sure they are familiar with Tucker Carlson's modus operandi better than anyone else.



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26 May 2022, 1:59 am

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https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/texas-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-sent-messages-to-15yearold-girl-minutes-before-the-attack/news-story/059648b5b5adb1fb29c858a021859aeb



FBI sleeping on the job again.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott said Salvador Ramos made three Facebook posts, which were later confirmed to be private messages, before the massacre.

“I’m going to shoot my grandmother,” he wrote 30 minutes before the shooting at the school.

This was followed by “I shot my grandmother”.

15 minutes later he wrote: “I’m going to shoot an elementary school”.

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26 May 2022, 2:14 am

Mikah wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/texas-school-shooter-salvador-ramos-sent-messages-to-15yearold-girl-minutes-before-the-attack/news-story/059648b5b5adb1fb29c858a021859aeb



FBI sleeping on the job again.

Texas Governor Greg Abbott said Salvador Ramos made three Facebook posts, which were later confirmed to be private messages, before the massacre.

“I’m going to shoot my grandmother,” he wrote 30 minutes before the shooting at the school.

This was followed by “I shot my grandmother”.

15 minutes later he wrote: “I’m going to shoot an elementary school”.

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Is that enough time for them to jump into their bat,mobiles and save the day??
Not like 9-11 when they knew months in advance.



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26 May 2022, 2:19 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.


I'm surprised nobody on the right is supporting gun control in this case--the shooter was Hispanic.


The right's belief in gun ownership isn't predicated on race, but on the prinicple of people (regardless of ancestry) being permitted to own firearms: Only a racist or person with double standards would consider, suggest, or push for laws which treated people differently based on their race, and to date there has been no such push (as far as I am aware) regardless of crime involving firearms used by people of varying racial backgrounds... At present, the left are actually the greatest proponents of racism, seeking to divide people into groups based on their race and pushing for disparate treatment based upon their membership of these groups, rather than treating people with equal dignity and consideration regardless of their race.

One could more accurately question why the left are so supportive of gun control, given:
Image

It's interesting that the right are more in tune with Karl Marx than the left are here...


Actually, it had been the American right's arch saint, Ronald Reagan, who had pushed for a gun control law as governor of California, after the Black Panthers had showed up at the state capitol packing heat. He and his allies certainly had a problem with African Americans bearing arms.


It's strange - I couldn't find any records of charges against that group regarding insurrection (Happy to be corrected if I missed them in my search). I did, however, find this: https://www.albionpleiad.com/2021/03/guest-column-righteous-insurrection-vs-mob-assault-what-the-black-panther-party-can-teach-us-about-january-6/

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As for Karl Marx - - he was the father of communism, not the father of American liberalism. Regardless of what the right maintains, the two aren't the same.


And where did I mention "Communism" or "American liberalism"? I was referring to the "left" in general, of which Mr Marx is a prominent person (or, to use your terminology, "the left's arch saint").



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26 May 2022, 2:33 am

Brictoria wrote:
Do you place restrictions on what the adult recipient of a (birthday) gift can (or cannot) use it for, or do you give it without constraint to allow the recipient to use it in a manner that feel is best for themselves?


The grandfather thinks he needed an accomplice to purchase the weapons and get approval (he was actually a week before his 18th birthday) and to drive him since he didn't have licence.



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26 May 2022, 2:52 am

cyberdad wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Do you place restrictions on what the adult recipient of a (birthday) gift can (or cannot) use it for, or do you give it without constraint to allow the recipient to use it in a manner that feel is best for themselves?


The grandfather thinks he needed an accomplice to purchase the weapons and get approval (he was actually a week before his 18th birthday) and to drive him since he didn't have licence.



Please address all enquiries to the source of the "facts" provided in the thread, on which people (including myself) were relying, and basing discussion around:
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Here are some facts I have gleaned from credible news sources (e.g., AP, Newsweek, Reuters, UPI, et cetera) regarding the shooter:

<SNIP>

• He had recently posted online photos of guns he had bought not long after his 18th birthday.

Source: https://wrongplanet.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=406158&p=9044152#p9044152

I'll make an effort to avoid such sources of mis\dis-information in the future.



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26 May 2022, 3:15 am

Brictoria wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.


I'm surprised nobody on the right is supporting gun control in this case--the shooter was Hispanic.


The right's belief in gun ownership isn't predicated on race, but on the prinicple of people (regardless of ancestry) being permitted to own firearms: Only a racist or person with double standards would consider, suggest, or push for laws which treated people differently based on their race, and to date there has been no such push (as far as I am aware) regardless of crime involving firearms used by people of varying racial backgrounds... At present, the left are actually the greatest proponents of racism, seeking to divide people into groups based on their race and pushing for disparate treatment based upon their membership of these groups, rather than treating people with equal dignity and consideration regardless of their race.

One could more accurately question why the left are so supportive of gun control, given:
Image

It's interesting that the right are more in tune with Karl Marx than the left are here...


Actually, it had been the American right's arch saint, Ronald Reagan, who had pushed for a gun control law as governor of California, after the Black Panthers had showed up at the state capitol packing heat. He and his allies certainly had a problem with African Americans bearing arms.


It's strange - I couldn't find any records of charges against that group regarding insurrection (Happy to be corrected if I missed them in my search). I did, however, find this: https://www.albionpleiad.com/2021/03/guest-column-righteous-insurrection-vs-mob-assault-what-the-black-panther-party-can-teach-us-about-january-6/

Kraichgauer wrote:
As for Karl Marx - - he was the father of communism, not the father of American liberalism. Regardless of what the right maintains, the two aren't the same.


And where did I mention "Communism" or "American liberalism"? I was referring to the "left" in general, of which Mr Marx is a prominent person (or, to use your terminology, "the left's arch saint").


You said the left would have disagreed with Marx on gun control. Why bring that up at all if there wasn't an inference that Marx had a connection to the American left?
As far as the Black Panthers were concerned: Reagan and the Californian Republican party had supported gun control legislation following that demonstration at the state's capitol.

https://www.history.com/news/black-pant ... ulford-act

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ns/308608/


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26 May 2022, 3:24 am

And just to show you that you can't keep a bad a$$hole down:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tucker-carls ... 08669.html


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26 May 2022, 3:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
You said the left would have disagreed with Marx on gun control. Why bring that up at all if there wasn't an inference that Marx had a connection to the American left?
As far as the Black Panthers were concerned: Reagan and the Californian Republican party had supported gun control legislation following that demonstration at the state's capitol.

https://www.history.com/news/black-pant ... ulford-act

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/ar ... ns/308608/


Like speculating whether Wakanda could survive gun control:lol:



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26 May 2022, 3:33 am

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And just to show you that you can't keep a bad a$$hole down:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tucker-carls ... 08669.html


Tucker Carlson suggested that coronavirus pandemic lockdowns ― not guns ― were to blame for recent mass shootings in the U.S.

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26 May 2022, 3:40 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I'm waiting for the lunatic right to claim this was a "false flag" government operation.


You rang? 8)

But I don't see this as a republican or democrat thing.
I see it more in terms of it being a "Deep State" thang. 8)


And the "Deep State" is a figment of the American right's fevered imagination.


Then it may be the "Deep Dark State". 8O

But seriously, having a power group, independent of governments, is a logical imperative.
People simply need to understand pseudoscience psychology in depth.