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07 Sep 2022, 11:55 am

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I think saying those who voted for Trump, are Trump supporters in any way, are not necessarily "Maga Republicans", is splitting hairs.

I very much disagree - 74 million people are not a hair. AFAIK, very small fraction of those who voted for Trump also supported physically raiding the Capitol.

Is this really only just limited to the Capitol raid?

No, it also includes all other instances of blatant disregard of state-running procedures.

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How can only hardcore Republicans interpret these words the way I do, when I'm not a hardcore Republican?

Then why do you defend Trump despite all he's done?

I don't see how that would make me a hardcore Republican. I chose Obama over Romney in 2012. And Clinton over Trump in 2016 (but only because of the fact that she was experienced and politics and Trump wasn't). The reason why I defend Trump is because I don't agree with everything that's said about him. And also, probably mainly, because I've grown to dislike woke, liberal, left-wing, democrat ideology and propaganda a great deal. So it's not really a love for the one, but rather an intense dislike for the other.

You don't see how trump & magas dominate the republican party, either.

I'm curious what things, specifically, you despise about liberals/left-wing/democrat ideology ? I could speculate, but I'd rather read your list.

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07 Sep 2022, 6:29 pm

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I'm curious what things, specifically, you despise about liberals/left-wing/democrat ideology ? I could speculate, but I'd rather read your list.

I could produce a detailed list, but I'll summarize; they're preachy and much less smart/informed than they think they are, they're shocked and appalled to learn that people of good character have different views than they do.

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07 Sep 2022, 6:35 pm

Kinda funny calling the left preachy when religious fanaticism tends to come from the right.

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07 Sep 2022, 6:46 pm

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Kinda funny calling the left preachy when religious fanaticism tends to come from the right.

The left is just as religious and just as fanatical, they just don't call what they believe in a religion, even though it has all of the characteristics of one save perhaps a dusty old tome. Also, the religious right has no power over me so I don't particularly care about them, I care a lot more about the midwits of the left who control most of our institutions. I can't even call them liberals, as they're not, they're in fact more illiberal than the right, but cloak their authoritarian tendencies in concern and "justice", which fools more people than I'd hope.

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07 Sep 2022, 6:59 pm

"Both sides" could be really preachy.

I don't really like somebody, say, to tell me to "check my privilege" when my life actually has been rather difficult at times.

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07 Sep 2022, 7:13 pm

William Barr, by the way, believes Trump is very close to being indicted. I like to use Barr as an example of an erstwhile Trump man who got disillusioned with him. There are still elements of Barr which is on Trump's side.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/tr ... r-AA11xvX0

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07 Sep 2022, 7:20 pm

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goldfish21 wrote:

Kinda funny calling the left preachy when religious fanaticism tends to come from the right.

More ironies in this post.

"Authoritarian," - mmhmm.. meanwhile it was former guy that had praise for authoritarians all over the world that he wishes he had the balls & strength to emulate.

"justice," - again, it's the political right that claims to be about "law & order."

Sounds like projecting.

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07 Sep 2022, 10:03 pm

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"Authoritarian," - mmhmm.. meanwhile it was former guy that had praise for authoritarians all over the world that he wishes he had the balls & strength to emulate.

"justice," - again, it's the political right that claims to be about "law & order."

Sounds like projecting.

Wow, whataboutism and misconstruing what was said are literally all you have.

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07 Sep 2022, 11:21 pm

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All the research in the world won't tell a politician how to present an issue like this; either the instinct is there, or it isn't.

How hard is "don't look like an alternate history movie villain" as a political principle?

But how was anything Biden said wrong?

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07 Sep 2022, 11:23 pm

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But how was anything Biden said wrong?

I'd explain it to you, but I've learned that I'd be wasting my words.

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07 Sep 2022, 11:24 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

DW_a_mom wrote:

All the research in the world won't tell a politician how to present an issue like this; either the instinct is there, or it isn't.

How hard is "don't look like an alternate history movie villain" as a political principle?

But how was anything Biden said wrong?

It wasn’t. That’s why he’s getting so much praise for it and his popularity continues to soar. He’s finally called a spade a spade and people are living for it.

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07 Sep 2022, 11:26 pm

Dox47 wrote:

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But how was anything Biden said wrong?

I'd explain it to you, but I've learned that I'd be wasting my words.

That's what I should have said instead of trying to explain it.

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07 Sep 2022, 11:27 pm

Matrix Glitch wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

But how was anything Biden said wrong?

I'd explain it to you, but I've learned that I'd be wasting my words.

That's what I should have said instead of trying to explain it.

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07 Sep 2022, 11:29 pm

Wow, look at that soaring 42% approval rating, which is admittedly better than the 36 percent or so he was flat-lining at a few weeks back:

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07 Sep 2022, 11:32 pm

22.22% increase in a few weeks is pretty good as far as presidential approval ratings go.

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07 Sep 2022, 11:39 pm

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

But how was anything Biden said wrong?

I'd explain it to you, but I've learned that I'd be wasting my words.

Only because I know you're wrong.

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