Did Bush Ever Get This Kind of Reaction?

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13 Sep 2009, 1:13 am

Speaking of change, something seems to have changed right after Obama got elected.


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13 Sep 2009, 7:19 am

Where were all these people protesting when those billions upon billions of dollars meant for rebuilding Iraq went missing? Oh right, politics. Politics is usually a joke, but American politics take it to a new level. Corrupt to the bone.



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13 Sep 2009, 7:31 am

I can't understand the hostility towards Obama. Economic indicators are pointing to a recovery, considering the mess that was left.. I'd say that's a good start.



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13 Sep 2009, 9:08 am

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I can't understand the hostility towards Obama. Economic indicators are pointing to a recovery, considering the mess that was left.. I'd say that's a good start.


A recovery that our great grandchildren will pay for.

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13 Sep 2009, 9:32 am

Reader AG went to the March...

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I was at the Lawn with all of the red shirted, white, angry Beck loving neo-patriots and there in no way it was a million people or even close. There were small groups huddled around the Glen Beck inspired flags and the usual disaffected white males wandering in groups with the American flag desecrated by being incorporated into clothing. Having been to the exact same location for the Obama Inauguration and other large political events, this was small fry in comparison. However, it was an angry group with a real sense of absolute entitlement. Something not focused on by many. This sense of entitlement that they deserve to be the dominant deciders and that it's being taken away. Very interesting mix of people. Mostly what one would expect. Rural, Southern/plain states, white, with a great number of middle aged white men with either military crew cuts or biker tattoos. There were a very small number of blacks but interestingly absolutely no Hispanics or Asian Americans anywhere at all.

I stayed away from the groups of men wandering around in biker jackets with tattoos carrying flags. Interestingly not a lot of American flags but a lot of other flags including the yellow don't tread on me flag. I actually felt relieved by this event even though there were signs that were shocking because I do not think it will have the impact the organizers were hoping for. And my main thought I had as I observed these people was how many of them will forget they were against Health Care reform ten years from now when it is a part of American life and many have seen lower costs and their family members covered. One could almost imagine what it was like when Medicare was introduced, the civil rights bills, forced busing, etc., And how many of those people are now advocates or accept it to be a positive part of America.

Anyone notice that Rep. Pence quoted Ronald Reagan from 1964? The quote was about how the states should not allow the far off federal government dictate the way States can decide laws. That pretty much summed it all up right there. Amazed that the press does not ask him if he agrees with the context of the quote.


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13 Sep 2009, 9:33 am

ruveyn wrote:
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I can't understand the hostility towards Obama. Economic indicators are pointing to a recovery, considering the mess that was left.. I'd say that's a good start.


A recovery that our great grandchildren will pay for.

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I think our grandchildren will pay much more for the Bush/Regan legacy then they will for Obama's



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13 Sep 2009, 10:51 am

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And they weren't disrupting at all or was it a "don't tase me bro" kind of thing? I'm sure more than 2 were arrested in the last round of town halls we've had too.

The only protesters I remember being arrested during those anti-war protests were the types who wore masks, broke windows, and threw stuff at police. There were only a tiny fraction of people involved in those protests that did that though.

Nope just two female teacher in there 40s didn't say a word and were take in after they took their coats off. I need to track down the video it's was just plain silly.



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13 Sep 2009, 10:59 am

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to answer the question bush never got this kind of crap mostly because he would have had them tossed in jail.


Agreed. I find this so utterly stupid, and disrespectful! Plus, it's a blatant case of unrealistic expectations, of a president who has not been in office for a whole year yet! I have always wondered about the mob mentality of people who love to congregate in large crowds and indulge in pointless, emotional displays.


That argument, the "Give him time" argument, is getting past it's use by date... Obama has had nine months to do his magical "change" act that he promised us all, and in those nine months, he not only has yet to accomplish anything, he has yet to present a workable plan to accomplish anything... he doesn't seem to be interested in "change" anymore... thanks to the patriot act, he has the power, with the stroke of a pen, to effect all sorts of change, but so far the only thing he's changed is the balance sheets of certain banks (although many argue that he's also managed to change his birth certificate, college transcripts, passport records, and medical history)... is this the sort of change he was talking about when he made all those promises (YES WE CAN!)?

Yes 9 mos is more then time to fix 8 YEARS of bush....... ................
The man must have some sort of magic wand... ahh no then a gennie... no gennie hey I got i wishing rock.... no wishing rock ... well surely we all can get together and try and fix thing right? ... no the right wing whinner babies have to toss fits and roll around on the ground crying about how "unfair" it is that they LOST the election a real election not one that the courts had to step in on or a govenor had to say let my brother have it. But a real non hanging chad one ... wow How "unfair"

Or was he talking about the more tangible type of change, the kind 10% of us are begging on streetcorners for?

Nine months might not be enough time to change much, but it's more than enough time to START to make changes... when can we expect him to START to change things? Is he putting that part off until after the reelection?



No idea what happened to my part of the post but it went something like this grown you guys lost. Give the guy time to fix the huge mess we're in. Bah bah bah hanging chad. Let see if it stays this time



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13 Sep 2009, 2:37 pm

Jrknothead,
surely YOU didn't vote for Obama! What's this WE thing you are talking about?


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13 Sep 2009, 3:53 pm

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Or was he talking about the more tangible type of change, the kind 10% of us are begging on streetcorners for?

Nine months might not be enough time to change much, but it's more than enough time to START to make changes... when can we expect him to START to change things? Is he putting that part off until after the reelection?


Here's some tangible change that we can all appreciate:
http://humantrafficking.change.org/blog ... made_goods


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13 Sep 2009, 3:58 pm

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I think our grandchildren will pay much more for the Bush/Regan legacy then they will for Obama's


I suspect you are right.

Regan managed to deliver $1.75 worth of government for ever $1.00 collected in taxes.

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13 Sep 2009, 4:05 pm

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I think our grandchildren will pay much more for the Bush/Regan legacy then they will for Obama's


I suspect you are right.

Regan managed to deliver $1.75 worth of government for ever $1.00 collected in taxes.

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And, who is to say that we are not currently paying for the actions of some distant administration, at the present time? If people would stop expecting the president to be Superman, maybe they would have more realistic expectations of what he can do. A president is only as good as his administration.


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13 Sep 2009, 4:16 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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I think our grandchildren will pay much more for the Bush/Regan legacy then they will for Obama's


I suspect you are right.

Regan managed to deliver $1.75 worth of government for ever $1.00 collected in taxes.

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It's a shame he had to borrow the rest from other countries.



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14 Sep 2009, 2:04 am

Ah yes, millions of conservatives, flailing about deathly afraid of change, regardless of what that change is. It happens to be a healthcare reform this time. It was the abortion before that, and they still can't get over that it got legalized. Something about civil rights a few decades ago, yes? And women's rights before? And freeing the slaves before that?

Full gay rights including marriage, immigration reform, and mainstream acceptance of atheism are the future battles they are going to lose, just like they lost every other time in history.

Conservatives live in the past. If they want to live like that, they are welcome to get a flying DeLorean with a flux capacitor and go back to the 50s. Future belongs to someone else.



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Ah yes, millions of conservatives, flailing about deathly afraid of change, regardless of what that change is. It happens to be a healthcare reform this time. It was the abortion before that, and they still can't get over that it got legalized. Something about civil rights a few decades ago, yes? And women's rights before? And freeing the slaves before that?

Full gay rights including marriage, immigration reform, and mainstream acceptance of atheism are the future battles they are going to lose, just like they lost every other time in history.

Conservatives live in the past. If they want to live like that, they are welcome to get a flying DeLorean with a flux capacitor and go back to the 50s. Future belongs to someone else.


Nonsense. The future is created by enterprisers, inventors and adventurers. This are the true capitalist types, they are risk takers. If you look at history you see the greatest works by capitalists. Isenbard Kingdom Brunnel built the best railway in Britain and laid an Atlantic telegraph cable. Edison lit up the world, and Westinghouse and Tesla powered it all properly. The stuffed suits that end up running large corporations are risk aversive types who build their little dukedoms on the work of productive capitalists. The adventurers found companies and invent new stuff. The stuffed suits eventually end up running the companies after the originators die or move on to bigger and better projects.

The conservatives that you decry are not the real builders, the real capitalists. They are the fungus that grows on the the stuff their betters built.

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14 Sep 2009, 8:18 am

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Ah yes, millions of conservatives, flailing about deathly afraid of change, regardless of what that change is. It happens to be a healthcare reform this time. It was the abortion before that, and they still can't get over that it got legalized. Something about civil rights a few decades ago, yes? And women's rights before? And freeing the slaves before that?

Full gay rights including marriage, immigration reform, and mainstream acceptance of atheism are the future battles they are going to lose, just like they lost every other time in history.

Conservatives live in the past. If they want to live like that, they are welcome to get a flying DeLorean with a flux capacitor and go back to the 50s. Future belongs to someone else.


Nonsense. The future is created by enterprisers, inventors and adventurers. This are the true capitalist types, they are risk takers. If you look at history you see the greatest works by capitalists. Isenbard Kingdom Brunnel built the best railway in Britain and laid an Atlantic telegraph cable. Edison lit up the world, and Westinghouse and Tesla powered it all properly. The stuffed suits that end up running large corporations are risk aversive types who build their little dukedoms on the work of productive capitalists. The adventurers found companies and invent new stuff. The stuffed suits eventually end up running the companies after the originators die or move on to bigger and better projects.

The conservatives that you decry are not the real builders, the real capitalists. They are the fungus that grows on the the stuff their betters built.

ruveyn


how refreshing, ruveyn! You are actually complimenting the BUILDERS of the products the inventors, capitalists and enterprisers developed. All those ideas would still be blueprints moldering in some library somewhere without the millions of laborers that actually put it together.

Or do I miss your meaning? Are the laborers just human work animals that serve the entrepreneurial elite?


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