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02 Dec 2009, 4:19 pm

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Lab grown meat comes from no beast, be it clean or unclean, hence the kashrut does not apply. Lab grown meat is glop in a test tube.

The Kashrut applies only to the flesh taken from living animals and regulates not only what kind of animal can be eaten, but its mode of slaughter.

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You think this might lead to the first kosher pepperoni pizza? We call all only hope

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02 Dec 2009, 4:31 pm

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As stated above: "The team at Holland's Eindhoven University extracted muscle cells from a living pig and incubated them in an appetizing nutrient broth derived from the blood products of animal foetuses," so this does come from a beast.

The "meat" is a chemical product and not taken directly from the living animal. So the Kashrut does not apply.

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02 Dec 2009, 6:02 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

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You think this might lead to the first kosher pepperoni pizza? We call all only hope

If this happens, I'm definately converting to Judaism.

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02 Dec 2009, 6:11 pm

sorry supposed to be new post

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02 Dec 2009, 7:12 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

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You think this might lead to the first kosher pepperoni pizza? We call all only hope

I created a Kosher bacon cheeseburger once, just to prove it could be done... i used soy bacon, soy cheese, and a soy meat patty... amazing the things they can do with soy...

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02 Dec 2009, 7:37 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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The "meat" is a chemical product and not taken directly from the living animal. So the Kashrut does not apply.

It is not 100% chemical, it is based on living animal's muscle cells. See also: what is the kosher status of laboratory grown meat

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03 Dec 2009, 4:05 am

Now, can they splice in some apple sauce and mint DNA?

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03 Dec 2009, 4:11 am

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This was foretold in Margaret Atwood's book Oryx and Crake, a book that manages to be horrifying and extremely funny at the same time. It's set in the not too distant future and is about genetic engineering run amok.

Actually this was foretold in Rudy Ruckers Wares series, as vat grown meat, they also had a version
called Wendy meat which was made from an earlier woman characters cloned cells, and is a very
popular meat source in the mid 21st century.

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03 Dec 2009, 5:30 am

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I didn't mean to imply she was the first. I couldn't say that with assurance because I'm not a big science fiction reader. Attwood is very prolific and some of her work is futuristic but would be better described as social satire. Oryx and Crake is a really funny book in a very dark way.

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03 Dec 2009, 4:19 pm

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ruveyn wrote:

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The "meat" is a chemical product and not taken directly from the living animal. So the Kashrut does not apply.

It is not 100% chemical, it is based on living animal's muscle cells. See also: what is the kosher status of laboratory grown meat

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03 Dec 2009, 5:20 pm

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Then this is doubly unclean, read Leviticus 17:10-16
wherein is the dietary law forbidding the consumption of blood or blood products of animals.

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03 Dec 2009, 5:44 pm

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Then this is doubly unclean, read Leviticus 17:10-16
wherein is the dietary law forbidding the consumption of blood or blood products of animals.[/quote]

The phrase "blood product" occurs nowhere in TNKH in any language including Hebrew or Aramaic.

Something chemically derived from animal parts is not the same is flesh cut from a slaughtered animal. The Kashrut does not apply.

Orthodox Jews eat veggies grown in soil fertilized by the droppings of unclean animals. That does not render the food unkosher.

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03 Dec 2009, 6:18 pm

All this brings to mind something I've thought about. I wonder if the ancient elders noticed that people got sick when they ate meat not well cooked and thought it was some kind of punishment. If not, why are certain foods considered unclean? Is there another reason?

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04 Dec 2009, 9:55 am

ruveyn wrote:

Scientist wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Scientist wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Fogman wrote:

כשר
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The "meat" is a chemical product and not taken directly from the living animal. So the Kashrut does not apply.

It is not 100% chemical, it is based on a living animal's muscle cells. See also: what is the kosher status of laboratory grown meat

Something chemically derived from animal parts is not the same as flesh cut from a slaughtered animal. The Kashrut does not apply.

That's a matter of interpretation and opinion.

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11 Dec 2009, 9:17 am

It's about time! I wonder if they will win Peta's million dollar reward? Hopefully they will find a way to make artificial chicken and beef too and fewer animals will have to be killed.

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