schizophrenic girl's body found near my house :O

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04 Aug 2010, 10:09 am

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Also apparently there was a $25,000 reward posted up for info 8O


Tragic, both what happened to this girl specifically, and the lack of compassion, understanding, and care for people with schizophrenia in society in general. I feel for her family :cry:



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04 Aug 2010, 10:15 am

why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?



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04 Aug 2010, 10:28 am

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why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?


well you see, Autism is not an Illness and is not related to Schizophrenia



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04 Aug 2010, 10:28 pm

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buryuntime wrote:
why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?


well you see, Autism is not an Illness and is not related to Schizophrenia

Although AS and schizophrenia do have some overlapping symptoms


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04 Aug 2010, 11:01 pm

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why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?


Autism isn't an illness at all. Its a learning disability. Schizophrenia is really bad. There are drugs that can treat it, but they tend to cause lots of side effects which is why you hear a lot of stories about schizos going nuts because they went off their meds. But these days, the biggest reason they go off their meds is simply that they can't afford them.

I have a neighbor down the street whose son has it. He secretly stopped taking his meds because of the side effects. One day, he was with his mom and saw these creatures crawling over her chest. He goes "hold on mom" and then stabbed her in the chest several times trying to 'get' them. To make a long story short, she survived, but the entire family has emotional scars because of the incident.

Schizos have hallucinations which is where they can become dangerous to themselves or others. I knew one guy that kept hearing voices that told him to do things that harm himself. In his case, he heard a voice that told him to walk out in front of a speeding car. When they hear voices, whatever the voice commands is done and they have little or no ability to refuse it.

In this girl's case, its conceivable that she heard a voice telling her to "Go to water. Stick head under. Take deep breath." Schizos have it really bad in spite of meds that can treat the disease. Honestly, the girl is at peace now. A life of agony is no life at all.



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04 Aug 2010, 11:34 pm

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buryuntime wrote:
why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?


Autism isn't an illness at all. Its a learning disability. Schizophrenia is really bad. There are drugs that can treat it, but they tend to cause lots of side effects which is why you hear a lot of stories about schizos going nuts because they went off their meds. But these days, the biggest reason they go off their meds is simply that they can't afford them.

I have a neighbor down the street whose son has it. He secretly stopped taking his meds because of the side effects. One day, he was with his mom and saw these creatures crawling over her chest. He goes "hold on mom" and then stabbed her in the chest several times trying to 'get' them. To make a long story short, she survived, but the entire family has emotional scars because of the incident.

Schizos have hallucinations which is where they can become dangerous to themselves or others. I knew one guy that kept hearing voices that told him to do things that harm himself. In his case, he heard a voice that told him to walk out in front of a speeding car. When they hear voices, whatever the voice commands is done and they have little or no ability to refuse it.

In this girl's case, its conceivable that she heard a voice telling her to "Go to water. Stick head under. Take deep breath." Schizos have it really bad in spite of meds that can treat the disease. Honestly, the girl is at peace now. A life of agony is no life at all.
actually, they haven't determined the 'cause of death yet as far as i know. Perhaps she fell into the ravine, perhaps someone pushed her, perhaps the voices told her to inhale water, perhaps a killer just dumped her body there, no one's really sure yet.


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05 Aug 2010, 5:06 am

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why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?


Well actually they did discover that Autism, bipolar and schizophrenia have a similar genetic origins and schizophrenia and bipolar are even more likely to occur in people with learning disabilities. I personally feel as though the schizophrenia spectrum has some kind of overlap with Autism. For instance My grandfather has bipolar and we also believe he might be an Aspie too but he's too old to benefit from an evaluation now. Before I was properly diagnosed with AS, a Schizo affective disorder was being considered, till they were smart enough to realize I wasn't hallucinating just day dreaming and expressing myself differently. I'm a little surprised I wasn't DXed with bipolar yet, but I only become hypo manic and depressed cause of my AS, not enough to be medicated. Anyway I'm dating someone with schizophrenia and bipolar, he's actually a really amazing person and we get along really well. He had the childhood onset and was wrongly diagnosed with Down Syndrome, ADHD, OCD, Tourettes, and Aspergers. Even though he thinks his AS diagnosis is wrong I've noticed that he has just as many Aspie traits as I have just not as sever.



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05 Aug 2010, 12:53 pm

n4mwd wrote:
buryuntime wrote:
why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?


Autism isn't an illness at all. Its a learning disability. Schizophrenia is really bad. There are drugs that can treat it, but they tend to cause lots of side effects which is why you hear a lot of stories about schizos going nuts because they went off their meds. But these days, the biggest reason they go off their meds is simply that they can't afford them.

I have a neighbor down the street whose son has it. He secretly stopped taking his meds because of the side effects. One day, he was with his mom and saw these creatures crawling over her chest. He goes "hold on mom" and then stabbed her in the chest several times trying to 'get' them. To make a long story short, she survived, but the entire family has emotional scars because of the incident.

Schizos have hallucinations which is where they can become dangerous to themselves or others. I knew one guy that kept hearing voices that told him to do things that harm himself. In his case, he heard a voice that told him to walk out in front of a speeding car. When they hear voices, whatever the voice commands is done and they have little or no ability to refuse it.

In this girl's case, its conceivable that she heard a voice telling her to "Go to water. Stick head under. Take deep breath." Schizos have it really bad in spite of meds that can treat the disease. Honestly, the girl is at peace now. A life of agony is no life at all.

I'm going to have to disagree. There are links and overlapping symptoms between autism and schizophrenia. Some people think they're opposite sides of the same coin.

Now then. What makes autism less of an illness than schizophrenia taking this information to mind? Not all schizophrenics have hallucinations. There are different types of schizophrenia, just like there is a whole spectrum of autism.

Both are considered a disability. People with both can harm themselves. Both have symptoms dealing with social skills and emotions. I don't understand why people say omg schizophrenia is really bad! but turn around and say autism isn't, when the cause for each of them isn't even known-- but both are believed to have genetic factors. How can you say that schizophrenia is an illness without knowing the cause of it, and say autism isn't?

Someone explain for me.



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05 Aug 2010, 4:28 pm

buryuntime wrote:
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buryuntime wrote:
why is schizophrenia regarded as an awful illness and autism isn't? Aren't they both believed to be related?


Autism isn't an illness at all. Its a learning disability. Schizophrenia is really bad. There are drugs that can treat it, but they tend to cause lots of side effects which is why you hear a lot of stories about schizos going nuts because they went off their meds. But these days, the biggest reason they go off their meds is simply that they can't afford them.

I have a neighbor down the street whose son has it. He secretly stopped taking his meds because of the side effects. One day, he was with his mom and saw these creatures crawling over her chest. He goes "hold on mom" and then stabbed her in the chest several times trying to 'get' them. To make a long story short, she survived, but the entire family has emotional scars because of the incident.

Schizos have hallucinations which is where they can become dangerous to themselves or others. I knew one guy that kept hearing voices that told him to do things that harm himself. In his case, he heard a voice that told him to walk out in front of a speeding car. When they hear voices, whatever the voice commands is done and they have little or no ability to refuse it.

In this girl's case, its conceivable that she heard a voice telling her to "Go to water. Stick head under. Take deep breath." Schizos have it really bad in spite of meds that can treat the disease. Honestly, the girl is at peace now. A life of agony is no life at all.

I'm going to have to disagree. There are links and overlapping symptoms between autism and schizophrenia. Some people think they're opposite sides of the same coin.

Now then. What makes autism less of an illness than schizophrenia taking this information to mind? Not all schizophrenics have hallucinations. There are different types of schizophrenia, just like there is a whole spectrum of autism.

Both are considered a disability. People with both can harm themselves. Both have symptoms dealing with social skills and emotions. I don't understand why people say omg schizophrenia is really bad! but turn around and say autism isn't, when the cause for each of them isn't even known-- but both are believed to have genetic factors. How can you say that schizophrenia is an illness without knowing the cause of it, and say autism isn't?

Someone explain for me.


I agree with you. they have linked something specific to Autism and Schizophrenia and that is the 22q11.2 deletion syndrome or DiGeorge syndrome. The syndrome causes learning disabilities along with some pretty horrible health problems. http://www.22q.org/overview.php. Specifically they believe it to cause schizophrenia and autism in a lot of people. My BF had genetic testing done for this and they found abnormalities. Apparently he has chromosome 22 and another chromosome switched and in the wrong places altogether. My autie baby sister is going to have genetic mapping and testing done.



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I agree with you. they have linked something specific to Autism and Schizophrenia and that is the 22q11.2 deletion syndrome or DiGeorge syndrome. The syndrome causes learning disabilities along with some pretty horrible health problems. http://www.22q.org/overview.php. Specifically they believe it to cause schizophrenia and autism in a lot of people. My BF had genetic testing done for this and they found abnormalities. Apparently he has chromosome 22 and another chromosome switched and in the wrong places altogether. My autie baby sister is going to have genetic mapping and testing done.

There isn't much to agree with unless you agree with my questioning towards the subject. Obviously it is going to piss some people off because it is challenging their views on what is an illness and what isn't, specifically autism.

Schizophrenia seems to be something that comes on suddenly, and can even go away, which is perhaps the only thing holding me back from saying it isn't an illness. Autism, on the other hand, is present from at least the age of three years old. Most people agree you can't "overcome" it, but there are a lot of parents that think their children can, and have (these parents usually thinking it as an illness, however, curable by diets and whatnot, which is interesting).

I guess it is possible for them to be completely unrelated or from completely different causes still, but in the way they both effect social skills and empathy is striking. I don't understand your link about chromosome deletion. Is someone who has autism or schizophrenia but without any of the health problems listed a probable victim of an abnormality with chromosome 22?



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09 Aug 2010, 7:46 pm

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Her spirit is now whole and is in a place where she'll be loved and cared for now.


Personally, I don't believe in that. However, if she was suffering, I'm sure she's happier now.



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09 Aug 2010, 7:50 pm

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Her spirit is now whole and is in a place where she'll be loved and cared for now.


Personally, I don't believe in that. However, if she was suffering, I'm sure she's happier now.


If you don't believe in that then she's not anything right now. I don't believe in anything I don't know, however that does not stop me from being intrigued with the possibilities. People have been arguing whether it's A or B for so long they haven't considered that it might be Z.



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15 Aug 2010, 6:21 pm

Aimless wrote:
Stonecold wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
Her spirit is now whole and is in a place where she'll be loved and cared for now.


Personally, I don't believe in that. However, if she was suffering, I'm sure she's happier now.


If you don't believe in that then she's not anything right now. I don't believe in anything I don't know, however that does not stop me from being intrigued with the possibilities. People have been arguing whether it's A or B for so long they haven't considered that it might be Z.


Agreed.