Can we get an apology Mr Obama? Gulf Oil Spill Findings.

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18 Nov 2010, 4:49 pm

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I am american, but I know my country well enough to know...it was probably done on purpose so they can drill without those pesky enviromentalists


Oil Company wouldn't have had a motive for a large oil spill like that, they have enough bad publicity.

It wouldn't surprise me if an eco-group sabotaged the rig though.



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18 Nov 2010, 9:57 pm

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All those doubters and naysayers and blame-throwers out there can bite it.

Will we in the UK be getting an apology for all the grief that wasn't our doing? Ex-Amoco and Haliburton, all the other AMERICANS who screwed up. Wouldn't it be the RIGHT thing to do to apologise to "British Petroleum"?


Sorry there Dane-e boy, but despite the heavy involvement of Haliburton and you forget Transocean (technically a Swiss Company),BP is STILL the primary responsible party. You speak of Amoco as if they are some kind of independent company.They were BOUGHT by BP more than a decade ago, and believe me, BP is in TIGHT control of every aspect of their business, no former entity bought by BP retained their former identity. Either direct pressure to act or indirect pressure to perform 'up to BP standards' was a driver in the issues that occurred. You can fault the Hermann Goering's for 'only following orders', but the thousands of footsoldiers in the German army...notsomuch...

That said, I've never seen it as a 'British' thing, I've always viewed it as a multinational corporate greed thing,something that transcends nationality. Although the US and the UK are top contenders for champions of the viewpoint. It'sthe please the stockholdersand damn anything else attitude that causes things like the spill to go from a highly unlikely impossibility...to a grim reality that DOES happen...

BTW jojobean,this was NOT a l'et's figure out a way to drill'-scam.Oil companies could do a LOT better with 50 billion dollars...


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18 Nov 2010, 10:34 pm

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Macbeth wrote:
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All those doubters and naysayers and blame-throwers out there can bite it.

Will we in the UK be getting an apology for all the grief that wasn't our doing? Ex-Amoco and Haliburton, all the other AMERICANS who screwed up. Wouldn't it be the RIGHT thing to do to apologise to "British Petroleum"?


Sorry there Dane-e boy, but despite the heavy involvement of Haliburton and you forget Transocean (technically a Swiss Company),BP is STILL the primary responsible party. You speak of Amoco as if they are some kind of independent company.They were BOUGHT by BP more than a decade ago, and believe me, BP is in TIGHT control of every aspect of their business, no former entity bought by BP retained their former identity. Either direct pressure to act or indirect pressure to perform 'up to BP standards' was a driver in the issues that occurred. You can fault the Hermann Goering's for 'only following orders', but the thousands of footsoldiers in the German army...notsomuch...

That said, I've never seen it as a 'British' thing, I've always viewed it as a multinational corporate greed thing,something that transcends nationality. Although the US and the UK are top contenders for champions of the viewpoint. It'sthe please the stockholdersand damn anything else attitude that causes things like the spill to go from a highly unlikely impossibility...to a grim reality that DOES happen...

BTW jojobean,this was NOT a l'et's figure out a way to drill'-scam.Oil companies could do a LOT better with 50 billion dollars...


BP America is basically Amoco, hook, line, sinker, bucket and spade. It employs Americans, from America. Like Haliburton does. BP has been a multi-nat for a long time, and is nearly as foreign as it is British. It could have been called "International Petroleum" and nobody would have thought it a deceit. Except that it would have been called IP, because BP isn't called British Petroleum. Same difference.

My main beef with this whole chain of events is that it was portrayed by everybody up to and including Obama as some kind of weird Red-coated Oil-Party Payback, as if everybody in Britain had got together with a whip-round so we could really f**k up an American seaboard with some jolly old English oil. As if Lobsters and Bloody-backs had rowed out to that rig with musket, fife and drum and bayonetted some babies over the well to make it blow up. From Obama's incredibly aggressive (and totally inaccurate) neck-standing comment right the way through to the Witch-Trials on Hayward. A trial that basically saw him pilloried for demonstrating polite restraint and behaving like a sensible adult on official business instead of a red-faced ranting nut-case bursting with hyperbole like those interviewing him. He failed to wave his hands about, go bright red, cry, overact or bluster rudely. In other words didn't act like an American Congressman. The whole thing was set up to plant all blame squarely on "British Petroleum", and shift all attention away from any American involvement.

Because of course this whole string of events occurred without a SINGLE American having been ANYWHERE near that rig, or that company ever in the history of ever, or had anything to do with the siting of the rig, or the oil industry at all. What Oil? What is this "Oil" you speak of? Isn't that that evil poison that the British use to kill our fish? . (As represented by the US media, and the various threads that sprung up here.) Or there is the real version of events, where plenty of Americans are involved all the way up and down the chain, and barely a tricorne or a bowler hat in sight.


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