Gay pair chucked out of pub for kissing

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It's not even that. It's the fact that the landlord told the couple to stop an activity that he (or the other punters) found uncomfortable. They didn't and carried on. So he threw them out.

Not much to it, really. They could just as easily have stopped doing whatever it was they were doing and saved it for later. Or perhaps they were looking for a rise out of him?

An off-duty copper also backed up the landlord and told them to pack it in. It also turned out that they were that offended they stopped to have another drink!

That wouldn't suprise me. Maybe to get a story in the news, like they did.

It doesn't matter that it's private property. To say that people can "do what they like as it's their property" is BS. I can't murder someone in my house as i'm a citizen of the UK and have to abide by it's laws. This seems like a pretty good discrimination case to me. I hope they take him all the way to European Court of Human rights and he loses his license.

They were misbehaving. He told them to stop or get out. They did. Nothing much to it. I would expect the same if it was a heterosexual couple, too. PDAs generally aren't nice to look at over a quiet pint.



Firstly, he can do what he likes under his own property as long as he follows the law. He can't murder someone, or rape them, or beat them up, but he can have them thrown out for any (or no) reason unless it's a nakedly discriminatory one (i.e. you're black, you're a Pakistani etc). It's his home (to which the public have access, in much the same way as a supermarket or shopping centre). If I came to your house and started acting the idiot, you would tell me to pack it in or piss off, wouldn't you?



I'd hate to see a bad one!

For it to be discrimination the couple would have to prove that the landlord doesn't do the same to heterosexual couples. Which will be difficult in the extreme to prove. No case to answer. Next!



Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

So you'd be prepared to ruin a guy's livelihood just because he threw some misbehaving customers out? Do you live in the real world?

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This is really not that big of a deal. Drunk couples get kicked out of bars all the time for s**t like this. Just because they're gay doesn't mean its discriminatory. I'm a pretty liberal-minded person and even I see that. I have a lot of experience working in bars and its just the way it is. People go to bars to have a good time, not watch to young lovers slobber all over each other.

No, he doesn't.

Imaginationland?

They weren't misbehaving- they were kissing. According the the guys they were thrown out after giving each other a peck on lips.



Landord said :He added: "When he was asked at quarter to 10 to leave or to stop doing it, if he intended to carry on he should have left them premises, in an orderly fashion, and gone to premises where the matter is accepted and stayed there."

They should have gone to gay bar and stayed there. Sounds like homophobia to me. Given that the couple who refused gays access to a B and B were prosecuted i think they would have a case if they were willing to go the whole hog. Even if it was entirely innocent and he would have done it to straight couple -which i find hard to believe- then the guys a pretty sexually conservative reactionary prude and i'd like to see a country where people could expression open affection wherever they liked. It's not his house it's a place of business. According to you people should be able to turn someone away from there place of business for whatever reason they see fit?

Neverneverland.

If I had a pub I wouldn't care who was kissing, infact people could be all over eachother and I wouldn't care. Straight or not.

The Metropolitan Police is investigating the incident.

Meanwhile, hundreds of gay rights' protesters are planning a "kiss-in" at the pub in response to the alleged ejection.

More than 700 people said they would attend the demonstration, mobilised on Facebook, on Friday evening.

This will be happening in the "real world" too and i for one am glad.

Shall we get a pub together?

Very bitchy and cliquey. Pretty cowardly tactics and i will not be humiliated by them.

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I didn't want you to be.

Banning gay kisses is illegal under equality laws By Peter Tatchell

London – 15 April 2011

“The gay couple evicted for kissing in the John Snow pub in Soho appear to have a strong legal case against the landlord. Under the equality laws, discrimination based on sexual orientation is illegal. I doubt the pub would have forced out a kissing heterosexual couple,” said human rights campaigner, Peter Tatchell, Director of the Peter Tatchell Foundation.

“Jonathan Williams and James Bull were not behaving indecently or committing any kind of sex act. There was no groping. It was just a kiss on the lips, like straight couples do every day. If the landlord cannot prove that heterosexual couples are also ejected for kissing, the pub is guilty of unlawful discrimination. Businesses that provide a service to the public have a duty under the law to not discriminate. The Peter Tatchell Foundation will support the two men if they decide to pursue legal action. There is nothing obscene about gay or straight kissing.

“People who discriminate need to be held to account. Non-discrimination is vital for social cohesion and good community relations. It is a human rights issue.

“This incident underscores the unacceptable level of homophobia that still exists in parts of the capital. There are hundreds of homophobic hate crimes every year in London, including the murder of Ian Baynham in Trafalgar Square in a frenzied anti-gay attack in 2009 and the recent plastering of East London with stickers declaring it a ‘Gay-Free Zone’. This homophobia needs to be challenged.

“Although much of London is gay-friendly, the apparent discrimination against Jonathan and James shows that pockets of prejudice remain, even in gay Soho. We need to ensure that the whole of London is welcoming and safe for all Londoners, including lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people,” he said.

Mr Tatchell was speaking ahead of tonight’s gay kiss-in protest on Friday 15 April at 7pm in the John Snow pub, 39 Broadwick Street, Soho, London W1 – the pub that evicted the gay couple, James Bull and Jonathan Williams for kissing, on Wednesday 13 April.

People being told they can't kiss in a pub isn't the end of the world. I'm much more worried about the vunerable ones, like children and the elderly. And animals getting tortured. If people are getting beaten and stuff for being gay, then i'd be angry.