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02 Aug 2011, 11:34 pm

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Some parents should never have kids. I absolutely hate child beauty pagents...I mean I have seen glimpes of some and the degree of eroticism they expect out of these kids is really, really sick.
I mean these kids will probably be f**ked up for life.


Child beauty pageants should be against the law.


The should be...it is a form of pediphilia. But money evades the law.


This is really a fine line here between child exploitation and the kids having a little fun. Playing dress-up is one thing but little toddlers wearing make-up and short skirts is clearly over stepping decency.

I'm not sure who is more to blame, the organizers or the mothers?



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03 Aug 2011, 1:16 pm

Narcissistic mother.



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03 Aug 2011, 6:20 pm

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Some parents should never have kids. I absolutely hate child beauty pagents...I mean I have seen glimpes of some and the degree of eroticism they expect out of these kids is really, really sick.
I mean these kids will probably be f**ked up for life.


Child beauty pageants should be against the law.


The should be...it is a form of pediphilia. But money evades the law.


This is really a fine line here between child exploitation and the kids having a little fun. Playing dress-up is one thing but little toddlers wearing make-up and short skirts is clearly over stepping decency.

I'm not sure who is more to blame, the organizers or the mothers?


it is more than short skirts and alittle make-up. They dress them up like pin-up bombshells and teach them to act erotic. It is really sick and should be illegal. Hell I used to dress up in my grandmother's jewelry, wear her make-up and put on her clothes as a kid. That was fun. Nothing erotic about it, just playing dress-up. However the atmosphere of these child beauty pagents is where the mother forces her daughter into these things with slapping and screaming horrible things at them. Then they throw them on stage and expect them to be some pre-schooler erotic bombshell. It really should be outlawed. I mean really, 2 preteens in love having conscentual sex are both put on the sexual predators list, but then these pagents are allowed to go on unchecked because they are well funded. Something is just f**ked up here.


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03 Aug 2011, 6:23 pm

jojobean wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
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jojobean wrote:
Some parents should never have kids. I absolutely hate child beauty pagents...I mean I have seen glimpes of some and the degree of eroticism they expect out of these kids is really, really sick.
I mean these kids will probably be f**ked up for life.


Child beauty pageants should be against the law.


The should be...it is a form of pediphilia. But money evades the law.


This is really a fine line here between child exploitation and the kids having a little fun. Playing dress-up is one thing but little toddlers wearing make-up and short skirts is clearly over stepping decency.

I'm not sure who is more to blame, the organizers or the mothers?


it is more than short skirts and alittle make-up. They dress them up like pin-up bombshells and teach them to act erotic. It is really sick and should be illegal. Hell I used to dress up in my grandmother's jewelry, wear her make-up and put on her clothes as a kid. That was fun. Nothing erotic about it, just playing dress-up. However the atmosphere of these child beauty pagents is where the mother forces her daughter into these things with slapping and screaming horrible things at them. Then they throw them on stage and expect them to be some pre-schooler erotic bombshell. It really should be outlawed. I mean really, 2 preteens in love having conscentual sex are both put on the sexual predators list, but then these pagents are allowed to go on unchecked because they are well funded. Something is just f**ked up here.

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03 Aug 2011, 11:29 pm

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it is more than short skirts and alittle make-up. They dress them up like pin-up bombshells and teach them to act erotic. It is really sick and should be illegal. Hell I used to dress up in my grandmother's jewelry, wear her make-up and put on her clothes as a kid. That was fun. Nothing erotic about it, just playing dress-up. However the atmosphere of these child beauty pagents is where the mother forces her daughter into these things with slapping and screaming horrible things at them. Then they throw them on stage and expect them to be some pre-schooler erotic bombshell. It really should be outlawed. I mean really, 2 preteens in love having conscentual sex are both put on the sexual predators list, but then these pagents are allowed to go on unchecked because they are well funded. Something is just f**ked up here.


There was an Australian artist, Bill Henson, who successfully argued that his use of naked children in his artwork was aesthetic and did not sexualise the children. In addition the children and their parents signed consent/permission forms. Despite this the gallery was eventually closed due to a massive public backlash over accusations of paedophilia.

I personally would never let my daughter go in a beauty pagent or pose for artwork. However there is an argument that the children are not necessarily being harmed if they want to "voluntarily" do a catwalk, participate in a pagent or pose for art,. Of course parents who force their children into these activities need to be sent for counselling.

The issue is not the subject but the people who see this as paedophilia. A person attracted to children is already carrying a mental illness and I think how you package the children is not going to change the underlying problem. '

I know this is slightly controversial but people (men or women) don't become paedophiles because they see a child dressed like an adult.



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04 Aug 2011, 7:02 am

At the very least, passes should be issued so that only family members can attend.
No photography, no video-taping allowed.



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04 Aug 2011, 8:03 am

Has anyone read Miss Wyoming by Douglas Coupland?

I lost interest in the plot, but the glimpse into the pageant industry, if realistic (yes, I know it's a work of fiction), is horrifying but fascinating.

(to a five year old)

"Only the prettiest and best-behaved girl gets to win, and if you don't win, I'm not going to be here waiting for you afterward. Do you understand this? Is this clear?"

"I have a daughter, yes but she's a winner, and you couldn't possibly be her because your sash says FIRST RUNNER-UP, which means the same thing as losing."

It's like crufts, but with added cruelty.



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04 Aug 2011, 8:40 pm

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At the very least, passes should be issued so that only family members can attend.
No photography, no video-taping allowed.

That's reasonable



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04 Aug 2011, 11:08 pm

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Has anyone read Miss Wyoming by Douglas Coupland?

I lost interest in the plot, but the glimpse into the pageant industry, if realistic (yes, I know it's a work of fiction), is horrifying but fascinating.

(to a five year old)

"Only the prettiest and best-behaved girl gets to win, and if you don't win, I'm not going to be here waiting for you afterward. Do you understand this? Is this clear?"

"I have a daughter, yes but she's a winner, and you couldn't possibly be her because your sash says FIRST RUNNER-UP, which means the same thing as losing."

It's like crufts, but with added cruelty.


crazy people!!


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04 Aug 2011, 11:21 pm

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it is more than short skirts and alittle make-up. They dress them up like pin-up bombshells and teach them to act erotic. It is really sick and should be illegal. Hell I used to dress up in my grandmother's jewelry, wear her make-up and put on her clothes as a kid. That was fun. Nothing erotic about it, just playing dress-up. However the atmosphere of these child beauty pagents is where the mother forces her daughter into these things with slapping and screaming horrible things at them. Then they throw them on stage and expect them to be some pre-schooler erotic bombshell. It really should be outlawed. I mean really, 2 preteens in love having conscentual sex are both put on the sexual predators list, but then these pagents are allowed to go on unchecked because they are well funded. Something is just f**ked up here.


There was an Australian artist, Bill Henson, who successfully argued that his use of naked children in his artwork was aesthetic and did not sexualise the children. In addition the children and their parents signed consent/permission forms. Despite this the gallery was eventually closed due to a massive public backlash over accusations of paedophilia.

I personally would never let my daughter go in a beauty pagent or pose for artwork. However there is an argument that the children are not necessarily being harmed if they want to "voluntarily" do a catwalk, participate in a pagent or pose for art,. Of course parents who force their children into these activities need to be sent for counselling.

The issue is not the subject but the people who see this as paedophilia. A person attracted to children is already carrying a mental illness and I think how you package the children is not going to change the underlying problem. '

I know this is slightly controversial but people (men or women) don't become paedophiles because they see a child dressed like an adult.




It is more than kids dressing up as adults...it is little girls dressed up like erotic women and expected to be sexually attractive
I mean there is more at stake than making a few pediphiles. I agree that a pediophile will be that way no matter what the child dressed like. What bothers me is what does this do to the child's mind and self concept to be sexualized at such a young age. before she is even legally thought to be competent to make a sexual consent. It is in itself a form of pedophilia.
Dressing up in grandma's clothes, jewery and make-up is alot different than being dressed up like an erotic bombshell at 4 years old.
However the whole art thing. That is on the edge but I dont think that is the same as beauty pagents...however the same issues are still there. Is this child old enough to understand the emotional and social consquences of being painted in the nude for all to see. I dont think so.

Jojo


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04 Aug 2011, 11:40 pm

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it is more than short skirts and alittle make-up. They dress them up like pin-up bombshells and teach them to act erotic. It is really sick and should be illegal. Hell I used to dress up in my grandmother's jewelry, wear her make-up and put on her clothes as a kid. That was fun. Nothing erotic about it, just playing dress-up. However the atmosphere of these child beauty pagents is where the mother forces her daughter into these things with slapping and screaming horrible things at them. Then they throw them on stage and expect them to be some pre-schooler erotic bombshell. It really should be outlawed. I mean really, 2 preteens in love having conscentual sex are both put on the sexual predators list, but then these pagents are allowed to go on unchecked because they are well funded. Something is just f**ked up here.


There was an Australian artist, Bill Henson, who successfully argued that his use of naked children in his artwork was aesthetic and did not sexualise the children. In addition the children and their parents signed consent/permission forms. Despite this the gallery was eventually closed due to a massive public backlash over accusations of paedophilia.

I personally would never let my daughter go in a beauty pagent or pose for artwork. However there is an argument that the children are not necessarily being harmed if they want to "voluntarily" do a catwalk, participate in a pagent or pose for art,. Of course parents who force their children into these activities need to be sent for counselling.

The issue is not the subject but the people who see this as paedophilia. A person attracted to children is already carrying a mental illness and I think how you package the children is not going to change the underlying problem. '

I know this is slightly controversial but people (men or women) don't become paedophiles because they see a child dressed like an adult.




It is more than kids dressing up as adults...it is little girls dressed up like erotic women and expected to be sexually attractive
I mean there is more at stake than making a few pediphiles. I agree that a pediophile will be that way no matter what the child dressed like. What bothers me is what does this do to the child's mind and self concept to be sexualized at such a young age. before she is even legally thought to be competent to make a sexual consent. It is in itself a form of pedophilia.
Dressing up in grandma's clothes, jewery and make-up is alot different than being dressed up like an erotic bombshell at 4 years old.
However the whole art thing. That is on the edge but I dont think that is the same as beauty pagents...however the same issues are still there. Is this child old enough to understand the emotional and social consquences of being painted in the nude for all to see. I dont think so.

Jojo


You raise some good concerns. What is the long term impact on the child?
Firstly is the child aware their outfit (or lack of in the case of artwork) or dancing is sexually suggestive? I think if the child is aware of the response of the audience is they find it attractive in any way then it sends a dangerous feedback to the child at a very tender age on certain types of dress/behavior illiciting a specific response. This would be inevitably reinforced by their mothers telling them how beautiful they are etc. and how the audience loved them.

One solution was suggested by another poster on this thread, simply limit entry to the paegent to parents and family. This minimises the possibility of perverts lurking in the audience. Secondly maybe place standards on what children under 16 can wear in a public performance.

If you switch on TV there plenty of kids programs like "Nickelodeon" that have underaged kids prancing around in suggestive outfits. Not to mention magazines and websites aimed at 12-16 yr old girls that are overtly into sexualising children through the premise of fashion and lifestyle.

Getting back to the thread how do you think the young autistic girl who won "Miss Personality" felt about her experience?



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it is more than short skirts and alittle make-up. They dress them up like pin-up bombshells and teach them to act erotic. It is really sick and should be illegal. Hell I used to dress up in my grandmother's jewelry, wear her make-up and put on her clothes as a kid. That was fun. Nothing erotic about it, just playing dress-up. However the atmosphere of these child beauty pagents is where the mother forces her daughter into these things with slapping and screaming horrible things at them. Then they throw them on stage and expect them to be some pre-schooler erotic bombshell. It really should be outlawed. I mean really, 2 preteens in love having conscentual sex are both put on the sexual predators list, but then these pagents are allowed to go on unchecked because they are well funded. Something is just f**ked up here.


There was an Australian artist, Bill Henson, who successfully argued that his use of naked children in his artwork was aesthetic and did not sexualise the children. In addition the children and their parents signed consent/permission forms. Despite this the gallery was eventually closed due to a massive public backlash over accusations of paedophilia.

I personally would never let my daughter go in a beauty pagent or pose for artwork. However there is an argument that the children are not necessarily being harmed if they want to "voluntarily" do a catwalk, participate in a pagent or pose for art,. Of course parents who force their children into these activities need to be sent for counselling.

The issue is not the subject but the people who see this as paedophilia. A person attracted to children is already carrying a mental illness and I think how you package the children is not going to change the underlying problem. '

I know this is slightly controversial but people (men or women) don't become paedophiles because they see a child dressed like an adult.




It is more than kids dressing up as adults...it is little girls dressed up like erotic women and expected to be sexually attractive
I mean there is more at stake than making a few pediphiles. I agree that a pediophile will be that way no matter what the child dressed like. What bothers me is what does this do to the child's mind and self concept to be sexualized at such a young age. before she is even legally thought to be competent to make a sexual consent. It is in itself a form of pedophilia.
Dressing up in grandma's clothes, jewery and make-up is alot different than being dressed up like an erotic bombshell at 4 years old.
However the whole art thing. That is on the edge but I dont think that is the same as beauty pagents...however the same issues are still there. Is this child old enough to understand the emotional and social consquences of being painted in the nude for all to see. I dont think so.

Jojo


You raise some good concerns. What is the long term impact on the child?
Firstly is the child aware their outfit (or lack of in the case of artwork) or dancing is sexually suggestive? I think if the child is aware of the response of the audience is they find it attractive in any way then it sends a dangerous feedback to the child at a very tender age on certain types of dress/behavior illiciting a specific response. This would be inevitably reinforced by their mothers telling them how beautiful they are etc. and how the audience loved them.

One solution was suggested by another poster on this thread, simply limit entry to the paegent to parents and family. This minimises the possibility of perverts lurking in the audience. Secondly maybe place standards on what children under 16 can wear in a public performance.

If you switch on TV there plenty of kids programs like "Nickelodeon" that have underaged kids prancing around in suggestive outfits. Not to mention magazines and websites aimed at 12-16 yr old girls that are overtly into sexualising children through the premise of fashion and lifestyle.

Getting back to the thread how do you think the young autistic girl who won "Miss Personality" felt about her experience?


Well I dont really understand her mother's response, unless it was part of a bigger pagent in which children got several awards, some on "beauty" and then others on personality. Maybe the mother was mad because her daughter didn't win the beauty compitition and felt her daughter was patronized when she was the best personality. However, regardless of what she won and didn't win, the mother's reaction was way out of line. Her daughter looked like a very personable young lady and probably deserved the title. However, her mother's very public reaction of how can she be best personality when she has autism was probably very damaging to her daughter. The fact that the mother had no shame in blabbering this all over the web only tells me one thing, alot worse is said to her behind closed doors. So in conclusion, this girl is probably being abused at some level by her mom. Her mother probably wanted to live through her daughter, but when her daughter was diagnosed with autism...the mother probably felt cheated and takes it out on her daughter.
I know this is alot to speculate from one episode, but I have alot of experince with psychology, partularly with abusive situations, so I can pretty much guess that her mother is abusive to her.

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05 Aug 2011, 12:12 am

I read articles like this and think of that poor kid who got murdered years ago.


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05 Aug 2011, 7:10 pm

If the kids enjoy the pageants and choose to participate then it's fine. It's just when the parents get pushy and overly competitive then I don't like it. Not all of the pageant families are bad.


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05 Aug 2011, 11:55 pm

it's the sexualization of these little kids that concern me. Putting them in makeup and slightly suggestive costumes is not a healthy idea for these kids. I just don't approve of the idea.


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