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16 Aug 2011, 7:41 pm

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I'm talking about honoring their end of the bargin in the compromise, the Democrats are notorious for not following through with what they agreed to in a compromise.

This objection makes no sense. When we're talking about passing a law, the provisions of that law don't involve any sort of agreement that, later on, Democratic legislators will agree to do something else. Whatever law gets passed is the law.


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16 Aug 2011, 8:19 pm

Orwell wrote:
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I'm talking about honoring their end of the bargin in the compromise, the Democrats are notorious for not following through with what they agreed to in a compromise.

This objection makes no sense. When we're talking about passing a law, the provisions of that law don't involve any sort of agreement that, later on, Democratic legislators will agree to do something else. Whatever law gets passed is the law.


Yeah like the deal that Obama tried to push $400 billion in new taxes in, on top of the $800 billion from loopholes being closed, at the last minute, which is why Boehner out of principle walked out. They had agreed to the $800 billion, but then Obama decided he now wanted $1.2 trillion.



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16 Aug 2011, 8:26 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I'm talking about honoring their end of the bargin in the compromise, the Democrats are notorious for not following through with what they agreed to in a compromise.

This objection makes no sense. When we're talking about passing a law, the provisions of that law don't involve any sort of agreement that, later on, Democratic legislators will agree to do something else. Whatever law gets passed is the law.


Yeah like the deal that Obama tried to push $400 billion in new taxes in, on top of the $800 billion from loopholes being closed, at the last minute, which is why Boehner out of principle walked out. They had agreed to the $800 billion, but then Obama decided he now wanted $1.2 trillion.

That's while something is still in the legislative process- ie before any votes are taken. The Republicans do the same thing, asking for more and more until they determine they can't get any more.


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16 Aug 2011, 11:21 pm

Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
I'm talking about honoring their end of the bargin in the compromise, the Democrats are notorious for not following through with what they agreed to in a compromise.

This objection makes no sense. When we're talking about passing a law, the provisions of that law don't involve any sort of agreement that, later on, Democratic legislators will agree to do something else. Whatever law gets passed is the law.


Yeah like the deal that Obama tried to push $400 billion in new taxes in, on top of the $800 billion from loopholes being closed, at the last minute, which is why Boehner out of principle walked out. They had agreed to the $800 billion, but then Obama decided he now wanted $1.2 trillion.

That's while something is still in the legislative process- ie before any votes are taken. The Republicans do the same thing, asking for more and more until they determine they can't get any more.


Yes, that was bargaining, nothing more.
If anything, Boehner was the one acting childishly, not out of principle.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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16 Aug 2011, 11:35 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I'm talking about honoring their end of the bargin in the compromise, the Democrats are notorious for not following through with what they agreed to in a compromise.

This objection makes no sense. When we're talking about passing a law, the provisions of that law don't involve any sort of agreement that, later on, Democratic legislators will agree to do something else. Whatever law gets passed is the law.


Yeah like the deal that Obama tried to push $400 billion in new taxes in, on top of the $800 billion from loopholes being closed, at the last minute, which is why Boehner out of principle walked out. They had agreed to the $800 billion, but then Obama decided he now wanted $1.2 trillion.

That's while something is still in the legislative process- ie before any votes are taken. The Republicans do the same thing, asking for more and more until they determine they can't get any more.


Yes, that was bargaining, nothing more.
If anything, Boehner was the one acting childishly, not out of principle.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Moving the goal post after terms are tentatively agreed to as soon as a particular side meets their side of the bargain is not bargaining, that's more like demonstrating you aren't serious about negotiating.



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17 Aug 2011, 12:15 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I'm talking about honoring their end of the bargin in the compromise, the Democrats are notorious for not following through with what they agreed to in a compromise.

This objection makes no sense. When we're talking about passing a law, the provisions of that law don't involve any sort of agreement that, later on, Democratic legislators will agree to do something else. Whatever law gets passed is the law.


Yeah like the deal that Obama tried to push $400 billion in new taxes in, on top of the $800 billion from loopholes being closed, at the last minute, which is why Boehner out of principle walked out. They had agreed to the $800 billion, but then Obama decided he now wanted $1.2 trillion.

That's while something is still in the legislative process- ie before any votes are taken. The Republicans do the same thing, asking for more and more until they determine they can't get any more.


Yes, that was bargaining, nothing more.
If anything, Boehner was the one acting childishly, not out of principle.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Moving the goal post after terms are tentatively agreed to as soon as a particular side meets their side of the bargain is not bargaining, that's more like demonstrating you aren't serious about negotiating.


And it's better that Obama not fight for what he believed in?
And as these were negotiations, I hardly think anything could be said to be written in stone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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17 Aug 2011, 5:42 am

Oh the irony.


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17 Aug 2011, 10:54 am

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Oh the irony.


aint it great :roll:


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17 Aug 2011, 11:04 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Orwell wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
I'm talking about honoring their end of the bargin in the compromise, the Democrats are notorious for not following through with what they agreed to in a compromise.

This objection makes no sense. When we're talking about passing a law, the provisions of that law don't involve any sort of agreement that, later on, Democratic legislators will agree to do something else. Whatever law gets passed is the law.


Yeah like the deal that Obama tried to push $400 billion in new taxes in, on top of the $800 billion from loopholes being closed, at the last minute, which is why Boehner out of principle walked out. They had agreed to the $800 billion, but then Obama decided he now wanted $1.2 trillion.

That's while something is still in the legislative process- ie before any votes are taken. The Republicans do the same thing, asking for more and more until they determine they can't get any more.


Yes, that was bargaining, nothing more.
If anything, Boehner was the one acting childishly, not out of principle.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Moving the goal post after terms are tentatively agreed to as soon as a particular side meets their side of the bargain is not bargaining, that's more like demonstrating you aren't serious about negotiating.


And it's better that Obama not fight for what he believed in?
And as these were negotiations, I hardly think anything could be said to be written in stone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Does the term verbal contract mean anything to you, or how about keeping one's word.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:20 am

As I said, they were still negotiating, with nothing written in stone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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18 Aug 2011, 11:51 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
As I said, they were still negotiating, with nothing written in stone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Something doesn't have to be written in stone in order for it to be an agreement, Obama moved the goalpost after Republicans had met his original terms, Obama had no intention of making a deal. Boehner was acting in good faith, until Obama essentially pulled the rug out from under him.



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18 Aug 2011, 12:29 pm

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Does the term verbal contract mean anything to you, or how about keeping one's word.


All contracts are verbal, because all contracts are written in words. No one has yet developed a non-verbal contract, though I would be delighted to see my mortgage presented as an interpretive dance.

I think the word that you were looking for was, "oral." But, as any competent first year law student can tell you, in the absence of exchange of consideration, there is no contract.


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18 Aug 2011, 2:03 pm

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Does the term verbal contract mean anything to you, or how about keeping one's word.


All contracts are verbal, because all contracts are written in words. No one has yet developed a non-verbal contract, though I would be delighted to see my mortgage presented as an interpretive dance.

I think the word that you were looking for was, "oral." But, as any competent first year law student can tell you, in the absence of exchange of consideration, there is no contract.


Okay on what you are saying oral contract, however the second part of what you said is false.

See Texaco v. Pennzoil.

http://www.agsm.edu.au/bobm/teaching/MDM/pennzoil.pdf



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19 Aug 2011, 1:38 am

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As I said, they were still negotiating, with nothing written in stone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Something doesn't have to be written in stone in order for it to be an agreement, Obama moved the goalpost after Republicans had met his original terms, Obama had no intention of making a deal. Boehner was acting in good faith, until Obama essentially pulled the rug out from under him.


As Obama was trying to keep Boner from taking from the poor to give to the rich, I seriously see nothing wrong with that, other than that Obama failed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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19 Aug 2011, 1:43 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I said, they were still negotiating, with nothing written in stone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Something doesn't have to be written in stone in order for it to be an agreement, Obama moved the goalpost after Republicans had met his original terms, Obama had no intention of making a deal. Boehner was acting in good faith, until Obama essentially pulled the rug out from under him.


As Obama was trying to keep Boner from taking from the poor to give to the rich, I seriously see nothing wrong with that, other than that Obama failed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


:roll:

I wasn't aware that closing tax loopholes would hurt the poor...



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19 Aug 2011, 1:47 am

Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
As I said, they were still negotiating, with nothing written in stone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Something doesn't have to be written in stone in order for it to be an agreement, Obama moved the goalpost after Republicans had met his original terms, Obama had no intention of making a deal. Boehner was acting in good faith, until Obama essentially pulled the rug out from under him.


As Obama was trying to keep Boner from taking from the poor to give to the rich, I seriously see nothing wrong with that, other than that Obama failed.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


:roll:

I wasn't aware that closing tax loopholes would hurt the poor...


I think you know I'm talking about cutting funding for social programs.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer