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21 Aug 2011, 9:23 pm

The rebels did capture two of Gadhafi's sons, including Saif-al-Islam (Moammar's designated successor), and have reached downtown Tripoli.

Rumor has it that when all is said and done, oil prices will drop by $20/barrel.

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21 Aug 2011, 11:03 pm

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Rumor has it that when all is said and done, oil prices will drop by $20/barrel.

Why would oil prices drop down $20/barrel? Is this the reason NATO was involved with the anti-Gaddafi rebels?

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22 Aug 2011, 6:11 am

Good news. Good job Europe.

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22 Aug 2011, 12:38 pm

techn0teen wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Rumor has it that when all is said and done, oil prices will drop by $20/barrel.

Why would oil prices drop down $20/barrel? Is this the reason NATO was involved with the anti-Gaddafi rebels?

They were involved because they didn't like the way that Gadhafi was brutalizing his people.

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22 Aug 2011, 6:52 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:

techn0teen wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Rumor has it that when all is said and done, oil prices will drop by $20/barrel.

Why would oil prices drop down $20/barrel? Is this the reason NATO was involved with the anti-Gaddafi rebels?

They were involved because they didn't like the way that Gadhafi was brutalizing his people.

Then why are they not involved with Syria? Clearly we don't like how peaceful protesters are being gunned down by the dozens.

That's why there had to be an extra incentive for helping out in Libya. For some reason that incentive does not exist in Syria. Or else NATO would have went there too.

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22 Aug 2011, 7:54 pm

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I wish them the best and I hope not too many more people are killed on both sides before this is finished. On one side we have Gaddafi who's supposed to be the bad guy, and on the other the rebels, shouting "Allahu Ahkbar!". It's quite possible that the people will choose something far worse than the secular dictator they had. I'm sure Plato must have said something about this. We've seen this sort of thing before. I'm reminded of how Afghans were assisted in kicking out the Soviets, and what happened since then?

it's funny how everyone now is so smart and so sure that what will come next will be even worse. based on what happened in the past? come on, history doesn't work like that. you can't make accurate predictions based on it. times have changed and the mentality of those people have changed. the Internet, Al Jazeera, the global culture have all been contributing to that.

anyway, those guys shouting "Allahu Akbar!" aren't really more scary than your Tea Party movement, only I can understand them better since they're in a situation where their lives are constantly endangered and they aren't just dogmatic for the sake of it.

I for one, wish the freedom fighters all the best, hopefully they will surprise us all and shut all the defeatists up.

I'm not sure that what comes next will be worse. Only time will tell. We will see whether the Libyan people, especially women, fare better on whatever government comes next.

Of course, anything could happen. Maybe one of these guys will go on to champion the rights of women in the region, including education and health care, or work to ensure that the separation of church and state is incorporated into Libya's next government. History isn't a perfect guide, and we all know that past performance in one place is no guarantee of future results in another. We'll see.

That said, I'm glad the US has minimal expenditures in this effort. We can't afford additional involvements similar to those which were put into Iraq and Afghanistan, and we don't want to be to blame if things go badly.

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22 Aug 2011, 10:56 pm

techn0teen wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

techn0teen wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Rumor has it that when all is said and done, oil prices will drop by $20/barrel.

Why would oil prices drop down $20/barrel? Is this the reason NATO was involved with the anti-Gaddafi rebels?

They were involved because they didn't like the way that Gadhafi was brutalizing his people.

Also why did Obama not show support for the Iranian People whom were being gunned down by their government.

Why did Obama tell the country of Georgia that they need to show restraint when Russia was invading Georgia.

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23 Aug 2011, 12:34 am

Inuyasha wrote:

techn0teen wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

techn0teen wrote:

Tim_Tex wrote:

Rumor has it that when all is said and done, oil prices will drop by $20/barrel.

Why would oil prices drop down $20/barrel? Is this the reason NATO was involved with the anti-Gaddafi rebels?

They were involved because they didn't like the way that Gadhafi was brutalizing his people.

The protests in Iran had taken place prior to the Arab spring, when nobody was sure yet that toppling Middle Eastern regimes was possible. In retrospect, we should have done more for the protestors; but no one at the time figured on the momentum for change would soon be in the air.
And Georgia? I thought that s**t was going on during Bush's watch.

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23 Aug 2011, 1:19 am

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Libya happened first and thus thus got all of the attention. The UNSC, Arab League and NATO all agreed to an intervention and several Arab nations also sent jets and military supplies. An international consensus developed.

It won't happen with Syria because intervention fatigue has set in. Also NATO needs time to rebuild it's supply of munitions. The US had to sell them bombs just to finish this campaign.

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Why would oil prices drop down $20/barrel? Is this the reason NATO was involved with the anti-Gaddafi rebels?

They would have come down a lot sooner if we'd let Gaddafi kill the rebels. He was happy to sell oil and the price was responding to disruptions, not morality.

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23 Aug 2011, 12:33 pm

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Then why are they not involved with Syria?

The Syrian armed forces are much larger and much better equipped than the Libyan ones. Including, among other things, some state of the art Russian anti-aircraft weaponry, state of the art antitank missiles, good antitank rocket grenades. Syria is a much larger (in effective terms) and harder to access country, too. Libya is pretty much a couple of cities on the Med. Syria is diverse, has difficult terrain and its major cities are mostly well inland. There's some reasons. I can provide more if you want once I've had me tea.

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23 Aug 2011, 2:52 pm

Nil_Nil wrote:

Good news. Good job Europe.

I wouldn't say that just yet.

Not until we hear official word that Gaddafi
has either been killed or captured, let's not celebrate just yet.

As for Syria & Iran, if NATO invades either country,
it'll be just Afghanistan & Iraq 2.0.

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31 Aug 2011, 10:38 am

Also, the situation in Syria doesn't seem as extreme. Gaddafi often sent helicopters to attack protesters.

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