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05 Sep 2011, 2:30 pm

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How is such a thing anywhere in this country even considered legal for the courts to do?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Illinois, particularly the Chicago area, is well known for its corruption.


Prince Obama's training ground. Also Ram Emanuel.

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Just because they were involved in Chicago politics doesn't mean they or every other politician there were involved in corruption.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Actually, it kinda does particularly if they are Democrats.


Then show proof that then State Senator Obama ever did anything wrong.

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It's more of I have a lot of things that look suspicious, including the fact he was actually elected to the State Senate in the First Place, starting his campaign in the home of an unrepentent Domestic Terrorist, his pastor of 20+ years running around screaming "God damn America.", the fact he worked for ACORN in forcing Banks to make loans to people whom couldn't afford said loans, and that's just for starters.


All of this is blown out of proportion as far as I'm concerned. And since when is suspicion equatable to actual crime?

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While everyone may know one or two people that are a little odd or crazy., constantly associating oneself with crazies that all believe similar things suggests that said individual actually believes the same things as those people he surrounds himself with.



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05 Sep 2011, 2:37 pm

I hardly think the members of ACORN ever promoted terrorism, domestic or otherwise. And the fact of the matter is, despite problems within that organization, they have done a great deal of good representing poor people and minorities - but there are apparently critics who fault them for that.
Rev. Wright, despite his ugly, Anti-American rhetoric, had served his country loyally in the marine corps.

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05 Sep 2011, 3:02 pm

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I hardly think the members of ACORN ever promoted terrorism, domestic or otherwise. And the fact of the matter is, despite problems within that organization, they have done a great deal of good representing poor people and minorities - but there are apparently critics who fault them for that.
Rev. Wright, despite his ugly, Anti-American rhetoric, had served his country loyally in the marine corps.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Domestic Terrorist I was referring to is Bill Ayers and his wife (Bernadine Dorn), whom went out of their way to introduce Barack to Michelle.



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05 Sep 2011, 3:22 pm

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I hardly think the members of ACORN ever promoted terrorism, domestic or otherwise. And the fact of the matter is, despite problems within that organization, they have done a great deal of good representing poor people and minorities - but there are apparently critics who fault them for that.
Rev. Wright, despite his ugly, Anti-American rhetoric, had served his country loyally in the marine corps.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


The Domestic Terrorist I was referring to is Bill Ayers and his wife (Bernadine Dorn), whom went out of their way to introduce Barack to Michelle.


I know who you're referring to, and as I've stated before to this same point you've brought up numerous times, I could care less who introduced the Obamas.

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06 Sep 2011, 3:07 pm

This raises a constitutional question--what is the obligation of a prosecutor in relation to a statute that is still technically valid, though constitutionally suspect?

Certainly in Canada a Crown prosecutor has the discretion to abandon a prosecution (usually by seeking a stay). The relevant Attorney General can, of course, compel the prosecutor to act, though in practice Ministerial intervention is rare. In the United States' jurisdictions, though, I think the question is more fraught, and the answer may not have a clear answer from state to state.

But what is most interesting to me is another opportunity for Inuyasha to tie himself into jurisprudential knots. Apparently the federal Adminstration is bad because they won't stand up and defend the constitutionality of DOMA, but the Illinois prosecutor is also bad because he is proceeding with a prosecution on this particular legislation.

(Of course, the prosecutor could be proceeding because he wants the Illinois courts to rule on the constitutional validity of the legislation, and he must have an instant case in order to give the court the jurisdiction so to do. But that kind of practical argument never seems to get in the way of Inuyasha's political posturing.)


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06 Sep 2011, 5:25 pm

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While everyone may know one or two people that are a little odd or crazy., constantly associating oneself with crazies that all believe similar things suggests that said individual actually believes the same things as those people he surrounds himself with.


Yep, if you bed down with dogs you’re bound to get fleas.
But what the hell, as long as you promise change people won’t notice or care.

Back to the topic;
I’m really interested in this case. If they burn that guy then this country just took a turn for the worse in terms of rights and fariness.



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06 Sep 2011, 6:01 pm

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This raises a constitutional question--what is the obligation of a prosecutor in relation to a statute that is still technically valid, though constitutionally suspect?

Certainly in Canada a Crown prosecutor has the discretion to abandon a prosecution (usually by seeking a stay). The relevant Attorney General can, of course, compel the prosecutor to act, though in practice Ministerial intervention is rare. In the United States' jurisdictions, though, I think the question is more fraught, and the answer may not have a clear answer from state to state.

But what is most interesting to me is another opportunity for Inuyasha to tie himself into jurisprudential knots. Apparently the federal Adminstration is bad because they won't stand up and defend the constitutionality of DOMA, but the Illinois prosecutor is also bad because he is proceeding with a prosecution on this particular legislation.

(Of course, the prosecutor could be proceeding because he wants the Illinois courts to rule on the constitutional validity of the legislation, and he must have an instant case in order to give the court the jurisdiction so to do. But that kind of practical argument never seems to get in the way of Inuyasha's political posturing.)


There has already been a court case concerning this kind of situation where the United States 1st Circuit Court of Appeals threw out the charges. Barring the United States Supreme Court or another Circuit Court of Appeals going the other way, there is already a legal precident to throw this out.



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07 Sep 2011, 12:14 pm

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There has already been a court case concerning this kind of situation where the United States 1st Circuit Court of Appeals threw out the charges. Barring the United States Supreme Court or another Circuit Court of Appeals going the other way, there is already a legal precident to throw this out.


Yet more shoddy legal thinking from our resident purveyor of agitprop.

First of all, the decision of the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals is not binding on the courts of Illinois--you would need a decision of the 7th Circuit. Secondly, the decision of the 1st Circuit concerned legislation from another state which is not the legislation in question here.

Decisions of Appellate courts are important, and they are persuasive--certainly a prosecutor is going to have a hard row to hoe to distinguish the Illinois legislation. But let us always remember: legislation is presumed to be constitutionally valid until a court of competent jurisdiction declares it to be otherwise. Since that hasn't happened yet, the legislation is still good law. The result might be a foregone conclusion, but it's not a result until the judgement is rendered.


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07 Sep 2011, 6:08 pm

Honestly, if you disqualified every person who was ever associated with someone or something shady.... no one would be allowed to be elected to anything. Period.



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07 Sep 2011, 8:22 pm

I think this case is primarily just standard authoritarianism. Some people just have the belief "should not question the police" or "should not criticize the police."

And people who emphatically believe this often do not really understand democracy. Nor do they understand such things as the actions of a public official being transparent.


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The police can't admit they're wrong. And somehow the prosecutors feel they need to "stand behind" the police. (if they were really friends, if they really wanted the police to do an ethical job helping the community, there might be far better ways of standing behind them)

The following video is actually segments from three separate newscasts. See 10:12 into for the third update on Aug. 19, 2011.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201109 ... lice.shtml



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28 Sep 2011, 5:09 am

Please, don`t talk about this. I live in Illinois. It is as corrupt as Neo-Tokyo.