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They are mad at him compromising with Neocons. Romney at least has a record of creating a real universal health care plan for the state of Mass. and supports abortion rights. He is actually very moderate compared to the guys that Obama has been compromising with which is why repubs are trying to find somone to challange Romney, but have failed miserably.
I totally dont know why repubs hate Obama cause he is always giving in to them in the name of "bipartianship"

Honestly, I think we need a real third party, not the tea party either. Most americans are either slightly to the right, or slightly to the left, there are some people more so on the ends of the scale, but a moderate and rational third party at this time in the US with the disatifaction in both parties, would really do well in elections.

Jojo

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if mitt gets in, he will be beholden to the GOP party plank. all of it. what he did in mass will have no bearing on what he will be forced to do once in the white house. the era of moderate republicans went out with disco.

I don't know what you two are riled about, I'm just looking forward to having the same thing I've had in every other state I've lived; reasonably priced liquor not controlled by a state monopoly. Do you know how hard it is to find obscure liquors for anachronistic cocktails when the selection is determined by bureaucrats rather than businessmen? I had to bring Kummel back from Arizona one time, and I've resorted to re-distilling the watered down Everclear they sell in this state to get it to the proper proof for making limoncello and other cordials. Sure, they'll special order something for you if you're willing to take a full case, but that's not exactly an option for non professional bartenders such as myself. The next step is going to be knocking down those 25% liquor taxes, and maybe amending the smoking laws to allow for cigar bars and hookah lounges again. Nothing like the state being broke to roll back burdensome restrictions.

The main reason why my wife and I had opposed this was because alcohol can become more widely available to underage drinkers. As parents, that's something that scared the poop out of us - - and still does.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

You do know that it was the beer and wine lobby that pushed that bit of spin, don't you? They don't care about availability to children, they don't want the competition from hard liquor at the grocery store where they're legally allowed to sell their product but the liquor people are not. Look up underage drinking stats for Washington vs California, they've had hard A in their gas stations and grocery stores for years without any spike in youth drinking. It's also not like kids aren't stealing beer and wine as it is, and those get you just as drunk as liquor will, albeit with a few more trips to the john.

On a non-serious note, I keep teasing my wife that I'm going to give our children cigars and gin martinis if they're ever curious about drinking or smoking; either one would likely turn any youth off of drinking and smoking for life. Unless they get my taste buds, I was the only Scotch and Gin drinker at my high school and always showed up to parties with my own supply. This would come in handy later when I lived with room mates, no one else would touch my single malts, especially the smokey Islays.

It's also true, though, that Rosauers grocery store had opposed it, even though they'd be able to make more money selling liquor. I thought that was very significant. And I never understood the argument that the alcohol industry had opposed this initiative, as it would seem to me that they'd make all the more money selling booze from a wider range of stores.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The alcohol industry is not homogeneous, the beer people, the wine people and the liquor people are all represented by different trade groups. In this case, the beer and wine people wanted to keep the liquor people out of competition with them by keeping their products relegated to the restrictive state monopoly. It wasn't about the children, it was about the money they stand to lose to new competition for their customer's dollars. It's a classic example of crony capitalism at work, one industry using the state to hinder it's competitors rather than say putting out a better product or lowering prices. You also see this in the salon industry when established chains push for expensive certifications to cut hair in order to force out the mom and pop stores that can't afford the new credentials.

Answer this one for me at least; do you have a problem with beer and wine being sold at grocery stores? Why or why not?

In answer to your question; as beer and wine have been available in stores for longer than I've been on this earth, probably not. But there just seems to be something different about such hard alcohol - don't ask me what, as I admit I really can't articulate it.
But there's also the simple fact that privatization rarely lowers costs, and proves to often to be a bad idea. I can't help but think that that's something we can expect with the demise of state liquor stores.
And as a matter of fact, whether or not the opponents of this initiative actually cared about children, I certainly do, and thus voted my conscience.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Have you been to a privately owned liquor store outside of Washington State in the last decade or so? Just last year I was in Hawaii, where everything is more expensive because of the transportation costs and tourism related inflation, and yet a 1 liter bottle of Bombay Sapphire gin costs $18 while a 750ml bottle is $25 in Washington. That was in a tourist gift shop on Maui, I've seen it as low as $12 in the international duty free stores while traveling, so clearly the state is taking a pretty fat markup, one that wouldn't be sustainable by a private business in competition with other businesses who could actually lower their prices. We probably won't see a huge price drop at first, but over time competition will drive it down, especially as the state is gradually forced out of the industry all together when people get used to the convenience and better price/selection offered by private industry.

I readily admit I have not.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer