Occupy Protests now trying to shut down Ports...

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What exactly should these policies be? We already have thousands of laws on the books. How effective have they been? How effective has the disability act been? What if more laws will not work because we're fighting human nature? If most of the population do not want to follow a given law is it not only as good as the paper it is written on?

What if this is the problem with autism rights? Does it work to force others who don't want to associate with us to associate with us? Is it proper, right and appropriate to force those to associate with people they don't want to associate with? How do we resolve this?

I'm not talking about autism I'm talking about capitalism. In my city several major job producing factories shut down all at once and moved to Mexico because labor was cheaper. That left thousands Jobless and in huge debt, my city has never been the same since. All because some greedy millionaire wanted to be a billionaire. Given the choice I'd never betray the people working under me, but most people in those positions have no sense of honor/loyalty.

You're conflating premise with reasoning, and bolstering it with subjunctive clauses. Please consider taking coursework in the Philosophy of Logic.

With reference to the Merriam-Webster definition...


... I would have to say that it is people that are "unfair", and not life itself.

Life is life - cells divide, grow, and divide again; people are conceived, some get born and some do not; those who get born arrive in whatever conditions are available; those who survive those conditions may have a chance to conceive another life - maybe not. There is no "fair" or "unfair" to life.

What I see happening is people confusing "fair" with "equal" - they are not the same. Again, the appropriate Merriam-Webster entry says...


... which indicates to me that those who say they want a "fair" share of the general wealth, may really mean that they want an "equal" share.

That is simply not going to happen.

Free from injustice. The United States has the fourth-highest inequality level in the OECD (Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, includes 34 countries).

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^ I couldn't feel less bad for those people having to potentially pay slightly higher tax, haha. I think they'll be more than fine. I don't expect socialism or communism, but there's no need for our economy to be this out of control.

I went the Oakland Port shutdown today - people will be happy to know that they collected donations from the crowd to make sure that all the truckers/affected employees would still get paid their salary if they couldn't cross picket lines.

I'm not going to support a form of facism or Communism which is what OWS is basically advocating.

I trust rich people more than Big Government.

+1000

The corporations are going to get their shipments soon enough. It's not like they are living paycheck to paycheck. The only people they are hurting are UNION laborers that get paid hourly, and don't work when the docks are shut down.

Damn, where are the Pinkertons when they are actually needed? Perhaps they could strike a deal with Academi (aka Blackwater)?

I debate whether the Occupy movements are really to help the middle class, or more that they are trying to cram their beliefs down peoples' throats.

I believe that central to the problem of wealth disparity, is an imbalance between our corporate citizens rights and responsibilities. after all they are larger and more powerful than private citizens and have potential for immortality; it follows that they should have a proportionately greater share of responsibility and accountability. How? that is a much bigger question.

They're also making trouble for ordinary people, most of whom work. They won't be happy with their antics. A similar thing is happening in the UK with regard to the public sector - they're throwing their weight around at the moment but they have very little support outside their heartlands.

Am I the only one that thinks that this should be moved to PPR?.

On a side note occupy movement has happened around here since may 15th(before OWS happened) and as far as Im aware of its about making sure that politicians arent making laws looking for their own good instead of the country´s good.

Ive been to several protests of 15-M to find out what they stood for. May I ask how many protests have you been to to find out what OWS stands for?.(Just so we are clear Im not asking you to side with me I made the same question to my relatives when they questioned me about it and I stopped questioning their opinions as soon as they went to one with me and saw what it was really about)

Please dont tell me that you are just basing your opinion on what media says because media always makes
sure to avoid mentioning things that would make the government look bad. Here in Spain police officers are encouraged to hide their badges(even when asked to show them which is standard procedure considering anyone could tell you they are a cop and the way to find out is by asking them to show their badge) and beat up protesters in Madrid/Barcelona...(luckily it hasnt arrived here yet) I have seen no mention of this on any of the news articles and believe me Ive read as much as I could find about this.

As for cutting the traffic the protests I went to lasted less than 2 hours(and I saw complains about it). There are religious ceremonies that make shops close down for a week and Ive seen no complain about that

When given a choice between a low-cost item made in China and a more expensive, but otherwise seemingly identical, one made in the United States, which do you purchase? If you choose the low-cost item then you have no cause to complain about corporations doing what they can to cut their labor expenses.

In your opinion what would be an excellent book I can pick up? I would rather study it myself. I do not understand this part of your critique.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/reasoning



1 : the use of reason; especially: the drawing of inferences or conclusions through the use of reason


2 : an instance of the use of reason : argument

How is it possible to conflate the process of reasoning with a premise? I do not understand.

This is what the word reasoning means. I believe I did definition number 1. I put down a couple of premises. I drew a conclusion from them. This is the path I took
1. if ~a then b.
2. If b then c.
3. If c then a.
4. ~a
5. b
6. c


conclusion: a

Until you provided clarification at the bottom it seemed like the conclusion negated the premise. It seems like all of this is moot anyway.


... I would have to say that it is people that are "unfair", and not life itself.

Life is life - cells divide, grow, and divide again; people are conceived, some get born and some do not; those who get born arrive in whatever conditions are available; those who survive those conditions may have a chance to conceive another life - maybe not. There is no "fair" or "unfair" to life.[/quote]

This is what was always confusing to me. I can accept people people are unfair. This makes a lot more sense.



I agree. This can never happen. In order to accomplish this we would have to be the borg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyenRCJ_4Ww

Communism would not have a government.........I trust no government and a classless society more than rich people and big governments.

Good luck even finding a version of the item you want that's made in the US.

The problem I see with people who subscribe to neoliberal ideology is this, you guys boil everything down to the individual. Individualism is your value system. Yet, to really analyze and understand economic problems objectively your value system is useless. You have to look at the system as a whole. Otherwise there's no hope of ever solving the problems facing humanity as a whole. I see the current system of unfettered global capitalism as a huge train wreck just waiting to happen.

If corporations ship production overseas and pay wages that don't support a standard of living such that the people they are employing can afford the things they are producing they are hurting the entire global economic system. Corporations currently rely on an over-consumption in the first world countries, but I don't think this can be maintained forever. I suspect the cost of energy is going to keep going up as the age of cheap fossil fuel sources draws to a close.

Any ETA on when these Occupy people will just go and get f**king jobs?

many of them do have jobs.