Kraichgauer
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Gender: Male
Posts: 49,751
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
mar00 wrote:
purchase wrote:
mar00 wrote:
I smell hypocrisy....
Are you hinting somebody here has microwaved a kitten?
I'm hinting that some things have the same origin to which most chose to remain oblivious to.
And then insist on the differences in order for themselves not to change their comfy lifestyle.
I find this emotional reaction selective and two-faced.
Or in other words I don't see what's the big deal with fluffy kittens when there are so many tiny chicks, for instance, being ground alive.
Wait... How, when, and where are chicks being ground alive? For human consumption?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
Kraichgauer wrote:
Wait... How, when, and where are chicks being ground alive? For human consumption?
Why does it matter if it's for consumption? I suppose maybe no, maybe for animal consumption though.
Not to mention other cruelties with animals which many people say that "oh but animals are stupid I shall not empathize with this".
I had rather bear a few minutes in a microwave than to go through a farming hell.
(Also I am aware that this might be largely a vegan propoganda so yeah, but I gather there's a lot of truth in it)
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/03/ ... -eat-eggs/
Or you can google it there's plenty written about it, above link contains the video.
CBC wrote:
But the company also noted that "instantaneous euthanasia" — a reference to killing of male chicks by the grinder — is a standard practice supported by the animal veterinary and scientific community.
<..> Using a grinder, Head said, "is the most instantaneous way to euthanize chicks."
<..>There is no federal law that ensures the humane euthanasia of animals on farms or hatcheries, according to Jonathan Lovvorn, vice-president and chief counsel of the Humane Society of the United States.
<..>"The entire industrial hatchery system subjects these birds to stress, fear and pain from the first day," he said.
<..> Using a grinder, Head said, "is the most instantaneous way to euthanize chicks."
<..>There is no federal law that ensures the humane euthanasia of animals on farms or hatcheries, according to Jonathan Lovvorn, vice-president and chief counsel of the Humane Society of the United States.
<..>"The entire industrial hatchery system subjects these birds to stress, fear and pain from the first day," he said.
What happens to that ground mass I don't know.
Other opinion is:
Quote:
"The organization that put this out is an organization that wants us all to be vegetarian, so what is the real purpose of the video?"
"This wouldn't be the first time that somebody has gone into an animal operation and alleged things through video,"
"This wouldn't be the first time that somebody has gone into an animal operation and alleged things through video,"
Wikipedia: Chick culling
Quote:
Methods
Several methods have been used to cull chicks:
* Maceration, using a large high-speed grinder into which the chicks are fed.
* Gases or gas mixtures, often carbon dioxide is used to induce unconsciousness and then death.
* Cervical dislocation, manually induced dislocation of the spinal column from the skull.
* Electrocution, a new method that has been touted as being cheap, reliable, and humane by its developers [1]
<..> The new policy states, in part, "Unwanted chicks, poults, and pipped eggs should be killed by an acceptable humane method, such as use of a commercially designed macerator that results in instantaneous death.
Several methods have been used to cull chicks:
* Maceration, using a large high-speed grinder into which the chicks are fed.
* Gases or gas mixtures, often carbon dioxide is used to induce unconsciousness and then death.
* Cervical dislocation, manually induced dislocation of the spinal column from the skull.
* Electrocution, a new method that has been touted as being cheap, reliable, and humane by its developers [1]
<..> The new policy states, in part, "Unwanted chicks, poults, and pipped eggs should be killed by an acceptable humane method, such as use of a commercially designed macerator that results in instantaneous death.
However in practice I doubt that "maceration" goes as planned"
Quote:
This can result in unspeakable horrors, as described by one research scientist who observed that "even after twenty seconds, there were only partly damaged animals with whole skulls".
A spokesman said that male chicks are usually gassed rather than put alive into the macerating machines and the bodies are a ‘useful source of food’ to captive reptiles and birds of prey.
But I wouldn't be suprised if they made chicken nuggets out of it..
Kraichgauer
Veteran
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 49,751
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
mar00 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Wait... How, when, and where are chicks being ground alive? For human consumption?
Why does it matter if it's for consumption? I suppose maybe no, maybe for animal consumption though.
Not to mention other cruelties with animals which many people say that "oh but animals are stupid I shall not empathize with this".
I had rather bear a few minutes in a microwave than to go through a farming hell.
(Also I am aware that this might be largely a vegan propoganda so yeah, but I gather there's a lot of truth in it)
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/09/03/ ... -eat-eggs/
Or you can google it there's plenty written about it, above link contains the video.
CBC wrote:
But the company also noted that "instantaneous euthanasia" — a reference to killing of male chicks by the grinder — is a standard practice supported by the animal veterinary and scientific community.
<..> Using a grinder, Head said, "is the most instantaneous way to euthanize chicks."
<..>There is no federal law that ensures the humane euthanasia of animals on farms or hatcheries, according to Jonathan Lovvorn, vice-president and chief counsel of the Humane Society of the United States.
<..>"The entire industrial hatchery system subjects these birds to stress, fear and pain from the first day," he said.
<..> Using a grinder, Head said, "is the most instantaneous way to euthanize chicks."
<..>There is no federal law that ensures the humane euthanasia of animals on farms or hatcheries, according to Jonathan Lovvorn, vice-president and chief counsel of the Humane Society of the United States.
<..>"The entire industrial hatchery system subjects these birds to stress, fear and pain from the first day," he said.
What happens to that ground mass I don't know.
Other opinion is:
Quote:
"The organization that put this out is an organization that wants us all to be vegetarian, so what is the real purpose of the video?"
"This wouldn't be the first time that somebody has gone into an animal operation and alleged things through video,"
"This wouldn't be the first time that somebody has gone into an animal operation and alleged things through video,"
Wikipedia: Chick culling
Quote:
Methods
Several methods have been used to cull chicks:
* Maceration, using a large high-speed grinder into which the chicks are fed.
* Gases or gas mixtures, often carbon dioxide is used to induce unconsciousness and then death.
* Cervical dislocation, manually induced dislocation of the spinal column from the skull.
* Electrocution, a new method that has been touted as being cheap, reliable, and humane by its developers [1]
<..> The new policy states, in part, "Unwanted chicks, poults, and pipped eggs should be killed by an acceptable humane method, such as use of a commercially designed macerator that results in instantaneous death.
Several methods have been used to cull chicks:
* Maceration, using a large high-speed grinder into which the chicks are fed.
* Gases or gas mixtures, often carbon dioxide is used to induce unconsciousness and then death.
* Cervical dislocation, manually induced dislocation of the spinal column from the skull.
* Electrocution, a new method that has been touted as being cheap, reliable, and humane by its developers [1]
<..> The new policy states, in part, "Unwanted chicks, poults, and pipped eggs should be killed by an acceptable humane method, such as use of a commercially designed macerator that results in instantaneous death.
However in practice I doubt that "maceration" goes as planned"
Quote:
This can result in unspeakable horrors, as described by one research scientist who observed that "even after twenty seconds, there were only partly damaged animals with whole skulls".
A spokesman said that male chicks are usually gassed rather than put alive into the macerating machines and the bodies are a ‘useful source of food’ to captive reptiles and birds of prey.
But I wouldn't be suprised if they made chicken nuggets out of it..
I think I'm going to be feeling that chill run down my spine from reading this for some time, now.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
