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16 Jan 2012, 4:45 pm

Oswald said he was setup as the fall guy. Down on Canal Street he handed out Fair Play for Cuba flyers, I was around, and as far as I know, he was the only member.

There also seem to be two Oswalds, there is a lot of evidence he was copied, or in two places at once.

Cuba had been a Mob play since Prohibition, and after for gambling and girls. Battista earned his title, "The Bloody Butcher."

The assets nationalized by Castro, were shutting down a corrupt system, and those who fled to Florida, were Battista's Police, Army, who would have faced a firing squad for their decades of murder.

The same type fled when Samosa fell. Altogether it is like those on death row being Anti-Electric Chair. They were going to die for their behavior, so they embraced Freedom!

Anti Castro Cuban was Battista's Army and Police that would kill, but fled before people who shot back. The other group was Mob related that had paid for their services, and also fled.

The now unemployed murders and gangsters wanted the US to invade.

They got some support, training camps, which lead to The Bay of Pigs, and tried to get some people I knew to run guns. They looked at the charts, shallow water, a barren island three foot high, and said, one machine gun will stop your invasion. They claimed that all of Cuba would rise up, and they spoke East Coast English.

Also, thousands knew of the training camps, and the plan, and Bay of Pigs was the worst possible landing. Most thought the Western Tip and the mountains, but plans are plans, and the one machine gun was waiting.

They did not die for the cause, and were ransomed for some tractors.

There were some threats, that lead to Cuba getting a missile base.

There were more threats, and that lead to the Russians testing some bombs, 300, which was said to be on the China border, but were just below the Jet Stream, and milk from the northern United States had Stromium 90.

They also did some missile tests, waves of 600 coming over the Pacific, that crashed into the ocean, but were followed by another wave of 600.

All bomb tests and missile tests were logged, and are in the record.

The Mob was demanding WWIII, to get their casinos back, but the Kennedys made a deal with Russia, no invasion, no bombing, and Russia removed the missile base.

This is also when Marcello was deported.

Then the Kennedys got wacked.



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16 Jan 2012, 6:15 pm

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Oswald said he was setup as the fall guy. Down on Canal Street he handed out Fair Play for Cuba flyers, I was around, and as far as I know, he was the only member.

There also seem to be two Oswalds, there is a lot of evidence he was copied, or in two places at once.

Cuba had been a Mob play since Prohibition, and after for gambling and girls. Battista earned his title, "The Bloody Butcher."

The assets nationalized by Castro, were shutting down a corrupt system, and those who fled to Florida, were Battista's Police, Army, who would have faced a firing squad for their decades of murder.

The same type fled when Samosa fell. Altogether it is like those on death row being Anti-Electric Chair. They were going to die for their behavior, so they embraced Freedom!

Anti Castro Cuban was Battista's Army and Police that would kill, but fled before people who shot back. The other group was Mob related that had paid for their services, and also fled.

The now unemployed murders and gangsters wanted the US to invade.

They got some support, training camps, which lead to The Bay of Pigs, and tried to get some people I knew to run guns. They looked at the charts, shallow water, a barren island three foot high, and said, one machine gun will stop your invasion. They claimed that all of Cuba would rise up, and they spoke East Coast English.

Also, thousands knew of the training camps, and the plan, and Bay of Pigs was the worst possible landing. Most thought the Western Tip and the mountains, but plans are plans, and the one machine gun was waiting.

They did not die for the cause, and were ransomed for some tractors.

There were some threats, that lead to Cuba getting a missile base.

There were more threats, and that lead to the Russians testing some bombs, 300, which was said to be on the China border, but were just below the Jet Stream, and milk from the northern United States had Stromium 90.

They also did some missile tests, waves of 600 coming over the Pacific, that crashed into the ocean, but were followed by another wave of 600.

All bomb tests and missile tests were logged, and are in the record.

The Mob was demanding WWIII, to get their casinos back, but the Kennedys made a deal with Russia, no invasion, no bombing, and Russia removed the missile base.

This is also when Marcello was deported.

Then the Kennedys got wacked.


The fact that the mob - including Marcello - had been working for the CIA to hit Castro for them ties everything together. The mob, along with their Anticastroite partners, often worked off the agency's radar, and even carried out their own operations. The CIA pilot, David Ferrie, who had had a preexisting relationship with Oswald, allegedly had been the one who had smuggled Marcello back into the country. As well, Ferrie's boss, Guy Bannister, had been hired by Marcello in the capacity as a private detective, in order to fight further deportation. These two men, of course, had had their CIA ties, as well as their own cabal of right wing anti-communist Cuban exiles and American mercenaries - which had been financed by Carlos Marcello. Bannister had also been a leading member of both the John Birch Society, and the Minute Men - both right wing fringe groups with ties to the political machine, and to money. Marcello, beside being a mob boss, had also been to the far right politically, and a rabid racist who financially contributed to the KKK.
It would have been an amazing coincidence if such men weren't involved with the assassination!

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17 Jan 2012, 12:50 am

didn't the guy conveniently forget to pardon the lady who donated a kidney to her sister?



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17 Jan 2012, 4:34 am

She did not have money.



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17 Jan 2012, 4:59 am

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She did not have money.

i hope her lawyer remedies that.



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17 Jan 2012, 6:12 am

Government is an evil, but needed sometimes. The real evil is those who hang around the edges, The Battista and Somosa goons who are looking for someone else to kill for, and the Mob which is involved in local government.

Lots of stories about a friend of the FBI giving them information, that became immune from prosocution locally, and used it.

Selling guns to Mexicians to learn what crime scene they would show up at later. It is not direct employees of the government, just the same shadow world they are involved in.

Jack Ruby got into the Police Station where the most famous arrest of the day was, with a gun, and walked right up to Oswald.

More current, there was the guy who was taking the train from Washington, then seen in a lobby video without shoes, disorented, and then found in a dumpster. One of the Fannie Mae guys was found hung at his home.

Both had information. Hit men are cheaper than lawyers.

Everyone elected, and upper GS, are well aware of "special tactics."

Goldman Sachs tells the SEC that they will pay $250 Million without admitting anything, for a close of all potential claims. The SEC Political Boss tells them that is a good settlement. It looks like we are doing something, and nobody gets wacked.

The current government is being held hostage.

So who can the guys coming back from Iraq and Afganistan wiork for?

The Romans had the same problem, every faction had assasasins. No government could function. Their answer was appointing a Dictator, one man given absolute rule for five years, and the best funded death squad.

His job was to restore the Rule of Law, which did not apply to him. It worked. The government was abolished, with them their friends who they lived in fear of, all Lobbist, Defense Contracts, and the the needs of Rome were met by Dicta. Orders from the top, obey or die.

Five year later there was order, a sound economy, corruption had ended, and a new elected government took over.

I was thinking McCrystal, the troops would support him.

I think we are in a survival situation, It will be decay and in endless debt, perhaps more open gang wars, Martial Law, as run by FEMA,

Or we can rebuild, A flat tax on assets would restore the Treasury, a new legal system would replace boxcars of laws that are not enforced, The Constitution would be restored as the limits of government.

I am sure that just like Cuba, many would flee the country before the Dictator took Office. Because they love their Freedom.

No one would have "friends in government," and bribes lead to the firing squad.

In five years we can elect a government to continue rule by the People, by Publically Funded elections, for limited terms in office. Like Iraq, all members of the old government are barred from seeking office.

Like Windows, after a while it becomes corrupted, there is nothing to do but format and reload.



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17 Jan 2012, 12:21 pm

Lincoln had originally intended to keep Ex-Confederate leaders after the Civil War from voting or holding office, with perhaps some exceptions. His successor, Andrew Johnson - himself a former slave owner, and an alcoholic racist to boot - decided to pardon every Confederate leader who had come to him to beg for it, which meant just about every leader of the Confederacy. And thus, Reconstruction and especially the Freedman's bureau, had no chance to succeed.

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20 Jan 2012, 4:34 am

Lincoln also wanted to send the slaves back to Africa, did send some, Liberia, as he did not want them around.

It was a great propaganda play, Uncle Tom's Cabin and all, but to most, Free the Slaves, meant they would no longer be Private Property.

Everybody wanted in on the deal, and not as owners, who had to provide Uncle Tom's Cabin, year round food, clothes, just to have a labor force at planting and harvest.

People wanted Free Slaves at a Day Rate with no contract, no laws, and to pay them just enough to eat for the day, one days work, one meal, and be out of town by sundown, and back at Lowe's at dawn.

Slaves were expensive, and the machines of the day. They cooked, washed, cleaned, and could make brick and design Washington DC. As The Labor, becoming Skilled Labor, was a good investment.

To most it was not Liberty, it was a share of the labor for cheap, which is how it turned out, homeless Black labor with a hoe, HoBoys.

Like most mass slaughter, The Black Death, land became cheap, labor expensive. In America, land only cost shooting a few Indians, and a cabin, forty acres of corn, fed some hogs, cattle, made Wiskey for a cash crop, and that was all most wanted. They did not want to be Beholding to another Man, and if they wanted to work, they had plenty they could do for themselves.

Free Slaves were the labor many wanted, and very cheap.

Slaves were not cheap, an imported product, then raised for generations,
From Africa, a field hand, but turning that into a skilled worker, english speaking, with a knowledge of building, plans, acounts, turned the $100,000 raw marerial into a lifetime construction company, that trained more.

New Orleans was not alone in having some very skilled iron workers, the leading tech of the era.

This is the Private Wealth that most wanted to Free, like some gangs now Free Automobiles, or the money in banks.

Land was cheap, much cheaper when cotton stopped being grown, there were few tools, plows, what made it work was labor, something portable,

There was a Post War Labor shortage, and a boom, so Wage Slave replaced Slave. Blacks kept wages down, for just as some said they could not compete with slave labor, Free Slaves were cheaper.

Within five years came the Long Depression, 1871 to 1882, where the economy stalled, and the winning of the west ate taxes.

Except for a few with friends in government, railroads, steel mills, Anaconda, owned by The British Royal Family that got all the mines, most were dirt poor till the Factory system of England got started in America. Then they were tenament poor.

By 1885 children of six worked in the spinning mills six days a week, for all daylight hours. There was no education, About half died before reaching eighteen. A family of six lived in one room, with a privy in the back yard next to the well.

At least they were better off than the Blacks. Or the Indians.

They were Free White Americans, illiterate, half died before twenty, almost all were wore out at forty. Their lives were shorter than a Roman Slave, 42.



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20 Jan 2012, 6:01 pm

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Lincoln also wanted to send the slaves back to Africa, did send some, Liberia, as he did not want them around.

It was a great propaganda play, Uncle Tom's Cabin and all, but to most, Free the Slaves, meant they would no longer be Private Property.

Everybody wanted in on the deal, and not as owners, who had to provide Uncle Tom's Cabin, year round food, clothes, just to have a labor force at planting and harvest.

People wanted Free Slaves at a Day Rate with no contract, no laws, and to pay them just enough to eat for the day, one days work, one meal, and be out of town by sundown, and back at Lowe's at dawn.

Slaves were expensive, and the machines of the day. They cooked, washed, cleaned, and could make brick and design Washington DC. As The Labor, becoming Skilled Labor, was a good investment.

To most it was not Liberty, it was a share of the labor for cheap, which is how it turned out, homeless Black labor with a hoe, HoBoys.

Like most mass slaughter, The Black Death, land became cheap, labor expensive. In America, land only cost shooting a few Indians, and a cabin, forty acres of corn, fed some hogs, cattle, made Wiskey for a cash crop, and that was all most wanted. They did not want to be Beholding to another Man, and if they wanted to work, they had plenty they could do for themselves.

Free Slaves were the labor many wanted, and very cheap.

Slaves were not cheap, an imported product, then raised for generations,
From Africa, a field hand, but turning that into a skilled worker, english speaking, with a knowledge of building, plans, acounts, turned the $100,000 raw marerial into a lifetime construction company, that trained more.

New Orleans was not alone in having some very skilled iron workers, the leading tech of the era.

This is the Private Wealth that most wanted to Free, like some gangs now Free Automobiles, or the money in banks.

Land was cheap, much cheaper when cotton stopped being grown, there were few tools, plows, what made it work was labor, something portable,

There was a Post War Labor shortage, and a boom, so Wage Slave replaced Slave. Blacks kept wages down, for just as some said they could not compete with slave labor, Free Slaves were cheaper.

Within five years came the Long Depression, 1871 to 1882, where the economy stalled, and the winning of the west ate taxes.

Except for a few with friends in government, railroads, steel mills, Anaconda, owned by The British Royal Family that got all the mines, most were dirt poor till the Factory system of England got started in America. Then they were tenament poor.

By 1885 children of six worked in the spinning mills six days a week, for all daylight hours. There was no education, About half died before reaching eighteen. A family of six lived in one room, with a privy in the back yard next to the well.

At least they were better off than the Blacks. Or the Indians.

They were Free White Americans, illiterate, half died before twenty, almost all were wore out at forty. Their lives were shorter than a Roman Slave, 42.


Lincoln had actually changed his attitudes later in his administration - and life - when he came to the conclusion that white people would have to learn to live with black people. Proof of that is in the establishment of the Freedman's Bureau, which was meant to help the freed blacks become established in this country during Reconstruction. That is, till Lincoln's successor, Johnson, made all effort to see the Freedman's Bureau - and the rest of Reconstruction - fail.
And while slavery was a wasteful, money consuming, destructive system that no one in their right mind should want to support, that fact remains, slavery gave the slave owner social prestige. The more slaves a person owned, the higher his standing in the Antebellum south he had. When Sherman had asked one old black slave why so many poor southern whites who didn't own slaves were fighting for the Confederacy, the old man answered that the poor whites thought they could then own slaves, too. Without owning human chattel, a man had hardly much more social standing than the slaves themselves.

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20 Jan 2012, 6:47 pm

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When Sherman had asked one old black slave why so many poor southern whites who didn't own slaves were fighting for the Confederacy, the old man answered that the poor whites thought they could then own slaves, too. Without owning human chattel, a man had hardly much more social standing than the slaves themselves.

:eew: what a grotesque society that the "states rights!" [to enslave one's fellow men] mouthpieces are nostalgic for.



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20 Jan 2012, 8:24 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
When Sherman had asked one old black slave why so many poor southern whites who didn't own slaves were fighting for the Confederacy, the old man answered that the poor whites thought they could then own slaves, too. Without owning human chattel, a man had hardly much more social standing than the slaves themselves.

:eew: what a grotesque society that the "states rights!" [to enslave one's fellow men] mouthpieces are nostalgic for.


Absolutely. In my humble opinion, states rights has more often than not denied liberty to unpopular citizens than to guarantee said rights for them.

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22 Jan 2012, 12:41 am

Slavery was not a recent invention. In the Americas it came with the Spanish, French, over 500 years ago.

Slave or Serf, bound to the land, owned, goes back as far as records.

It was also accepted in Law that some places would not have Slaves, England for one, but in thier colonies there were other rules.

All of America was Slave, then some States passed Laws, not freeing slaves, just saying not here. Ship them to the south, put them on the block, just get them out of here.

States Rights said the States could do that. It was and had been the accepted law of the land for hundreds of years.

Political and Legal upheld the law of the land, and even many slave owners agreed, McCormick's Reaper, other machines, the Cotton Gin, were making slave labor obsolete, In the north the spinning mills were tech of the time, and very White.

The question was, as a legal business, much Capital invested, and some personal attachments, just shooting them seemed un Christian. Shipping them back to Africa was expensive, and it would take the National Government which has an International Monopoly, to secure a place, Liberia, transport, and the supplies and protection they would need, as they built their own plantations and trained their own local slaves.

Many people were willing to donate slaves for the project.

The Constitution says, "No person may be deprived of property without the full due process of law in a court of competent jursidiction."

Some States abolished what they did not have. After a point it was not legal to import more. But what was owned was legal, And taking slaves, was the same as taking land, the house, horses and mules, and quartering troops upon the people.

Another problem, if all slaves become free, who will feed them? Should they be sent to Washington? Can they be kept in place and paid $1 a week?

This is a third of the population, and something has to be done.

Under the Wisdom of Statesmanship all the coasts were Blockaded.

There were also anti Draft riots in New York, and many free Africans got killed. They were not welcome in the north.

I can not help but see the housing in America being reduced in value, $59 Trillion, Industry being relocated, and a total disruption of everyone's savings, property, and the burdern of a growing National Debt, to bailout the people who caused the problem.

It is the same taking the property of others. Protests are met with pepper spray, arrests, and laws that say anyone can be jailed without charge, rights, forever. Lincoln did the same.

The banks are bankrupt, America is in debt, our industry has been moved, and our jobs. Political power is shifting from the Middle Class to the Corportions, and then comes Citizens United. Corporations can buy the government, it is not a bribe, it is all legal.

It only takes a thousand people in Washington to sell out the country. A Million apiece is only a Billion, a Billion apiece a Trillion, which is a cheap price to own America.

They are already saving a Trillion a year on the lowest ever taxes. We The People are giving them the money to buy the Country. We The People gave them the money to buy the Stock, then ship the industry off shore. We have financed our own Doom.

Surely the Government is watching out for us? No, they are Billioniares, and do not care about little people.

The Fleet that Blockaded the south was built with taxpayer money, in the decade before the war.

Notice anything different in the last decade?



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22 Jan 2012, 12:52 am

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22 Jan 2012, 1:05 am

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Slavery was not a recent invention. In the Americas it came with the Spanish, French, over 500 years ago.

Slave or Serf, bound to the land, owned, goes back as far as records.

It was also accepted in Law that some places would not have Slaves, England for one, but in thier colonies there were other rules.

All of America was Slave, then some States passed Laws, not freeing slaves, just saying not here. Ship them to the south, put them on the block, just get them out of here.

States Rights said the States could do that. It was and had been the accepted law of the land for hundreds of years.

Political and Legal upheld the law of the land, and even many slave owners agreed, McCormick's Reaper, other machines, the Cotton Gin, were making slave labor obsolete, In the north the spinning mills were tech of the time, and very White.

The question was, as a legal business, much Capital invested, and some personal attachments, just shooting them seemed un Christian. Shipping them back to Africa was expensive, and it would take the National Government which has an International Monopoly, to secure a place, Liberia, transport, and the supplies and protection they would need, as they built their own plantations and trained their own local slaves.

Many people were willing to donate slaves for the project.

The Constitution says, "No person may be deprived of property without the full due process of law in a court of competent jursidiction."

Some States abolished what they did not have. After a point it was not legal to import more. But what was owned was legal, And taking slaves, was the same as taking land, the house, horses and mules, and quartering troops upon the people.

Another problem, if all slaves become free, who will feed them? Should they be sent to Washington? Can they be kept in place and paid $1 a week?

This is a third of the population, and something has to be done.

Under the Wisdom of Statesmanship all the coasts were Blockaded.

There were also anti Draft riots in New York, and many free Africans got killed. They were not welcome in the north.

I can not help but see the housing in America being reduced in value, $59 Trillion, Industry being relocated, and a total disruption of everyone's savings, property, and the burdern of a growing National Debt, to bailout the people who caused the problem.

It is the same taking the property of others. Protests are met with pepper spray, arrests, and laws that say anyone can be jailed without charge, rights, forever. Lincoln did the same.

The banks are bankrupt, America is in debt, our industry has been moved, and our jobs. Political power is shifting from the Middle Class to the Corportions, and then comes Citizens United. Corporations can buy the government, it is not a bribe, it is all legal.

It only takes a thousand people in Washington to sell out the country. A Million apiece is only a Billion, a Billion apiece a Trillion, which is a cheap price to own America.

They are already saving a Trillion a year on the lowest ever taxes. We The People are giving them the money to buy the Country. We The People gave them the money to buy the Stock, then ship the industry off shore. We have financed our own Doom.

Surely the Government is watching out for us? No, they are Billioniares, and do not care about little people.

The Fleet that Blockaded the south was built with taxpayer money, in the decade before the war.

Notice anything different in the last decade?


I never meant to convey the notion that slavery was an American invention - of course it wasn't. My point was, it wasn't going to disappear on its own, despite that manufacturing in a non-slave economy was so much more superior. But rather, because it was the system which made the southern planters rich and politically powerful; and that was why the only way it could be ended was by force. And I agree one hundred percent - there was plenty of anti-black racism in the north - the Civil War only became a war of liberation only after Lincoln had managed to redirect the north's public opinion into a noble cause beyond just saving the Union.

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23 Jan 2012, 1:04 am

Rich yes, but Politically Powerful? New England had more votes.

It was about Money. That Nobel Cause.

Slavery did just end in many places without war. Slavery was also something else in many places, slaves could buy their freedom.

This is the Country where when the Cherokee were winning in the Supreme Court, Andrew Jackson had the Army round them up and marched them to Oklahoma.in 1845. 25% died on the Trail of Tears.

Many tribes were removed from their land, many were just killed, including all of the part indians, free blacks, whose children were then sold as slaves. This was a White Only rule by the US Government.

Five years later it was the Cotton Trust Acts, where cotton had to be sold to the government, for less than the world market price. They thought 25% would be fair. New England wanted it for their mills, and they had the votes. They also had the votes to increase the import taxes 100%.

Our Nobel Cause, your land, your money, any way we can.

The savings, property, 401ks, and Social Security of the War Babies was just stolen. They had to, it was the biggest pile of money around, and they have Special Rights!

American Industry was stolen, same Gang.

China has offered $20 Trillion for everything West of the Rockies, the deal is being done.

When we are all broke, they will put a 100% tax on everything,

Those who do not learn from history, are doomed.



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23 Jan 2012, 1:12 am

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Rich yes, but Politically Powerful? New England had more votes.

It was about Money. That Nobel Cause.

Slavery did just end in many places without war. Slavery was also something else in many places, slaves could buy their freedom.

This is the Country where when the Cherokee were winning in the Supreme Court, Andrew Jackson had the Army round them up and marched them to Oklahoma.in 1845. 25% died on the Trail of Tears.

Many tribes were removed from their land, many were just killed, including all of the part indians, free blacks, whose children were then sold as slaves. This was a White Only rule by the US Government.

Five years later it was the Cotton Trust Acts, where cotton had to be sold to the government, for less than the world market price. They thought 25% would be fair. New England wanted it for their mills, and they had the votes. They also had the votes to increase the import taxes 100%.

Our Nobel Cause, your land, your money, any way we can.

The savings, property, 401ks, and Social Security of the War Babies was just stolen. They had to, it was the biggest pile of money around, and they have Special Rights!

American Industry was stolen, same Gang.

China has offered $20 Trillion for everything West of the Rockies, the deal is being done.

When we are all broke, they will put a 100% tax on everything,

Those who do not learn from history, are doomed.


When I talk about southern planters with political power, I was referring to power in their home states, and Dixie in general. And this power was based on the number of slaves working plantation land.
And in all fairness, the south was hardly without political muscle in those days prior to the Civil War. For all their lack of actual numbers, the south had at its command inordinate political weight, as the majority of presidents, supreme court judges, and committee heads in both houses of congress were southerners.

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