Terrorist Strike in Iran?

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Which from some religious-based conspiracy theory circles suggest, is part of the grand plan to destabilize the entire Middle East to invoke the war of Armageddon. There are days go by on whenever or not I should actually believe that, in all things considering...

But I don't believe Iran is actually building nuclear weapons, but it may be establishing infrastructure for it should it change its mind though. With the prospect of war nearing, I wouldn't be surprised that Israel's aggression towards Iran results in a self-fulfilling prophecy where they do develop weapons and use them because hey, why not? Everyone thinks you're building them and you're going to war soon so there's little incentive to not consider it.

This is still a very dangerous situation to say the least. Doesn't matter how it started really, the end will still be all the same, total destruction.

It does seem crazy and some facets of it seem far fetched, but I can't see how something like this couldn't have been foreseen before the establishment of the modern day Israel the way it happened. I kind of think that they did have the notion beforehand.

The chain reaction would leave a radio active oil field.

During the Gulf War, Saddam sent SCUDs to Israel. Iran has better, and just a load of the waste to produce reactor fuel would render an unlivable wasteland.

Since kicking out the Shah, then the Americans, Iran has become used to threats. They also have the backing of Russia and China.

Someone is running for public office, who else could they get tough on?

Iran is a stay at home country, have not fought a war outside their borders in 900 years, and won every time defending them.

Thanks to George Bush, they are now the Government of Iraq.

As said in Dune, "He who can destroy something, controls it."

Now that's an interesting point. Load a warhead with high explosive conventional charges with a several ton payload of enriched uranium pellets and waste material. Puts a new and terrifying dimension to dirty bomb warfare. I could imagine sending an entire fleet of missiles contain tons of payload each, not only it would cause immense contamination if they impact on target, if you shoot them down at high attitude to defend yourself, they'll still contaminate a wider area, and possibly still affect you. Very insane stuff to even think about.

Even when I don't necessarily agree with what they're doing, the Israelis always seem to manage things with such style. What's blowing up 20 people to get one guy with a drone strike next to placing a precision munition on their vehicle in rival's capitol city? Anyone else catch their "denial"?

I smell war in the air; I recognize this smell very well.

Oil is not running out....whoever told you that is a liar. There is enough Oil ( and with new developing technologies of extraction of oil) there is enough to sustain the world economy for at the very least the next 200 years. Also, Iran is not the only supplier of global energy/oil. Yes, the closing of the straits of Hormuz would have an effect on the world oil MARKET via prices skyrocketing ( and creating conditions for another economic global recession), but it wouldn't mean the end of oil. Iran is not nuclear now and arms trans-national terror groups and is not just a threat to Israel but to surrounding GCC countries who fear Iranian hegemony over their countries.

Bring it on! Let the Iranians give us an excuse to exterminate them!

ruveyn

Sadly, Iran will bring the war to Israel via their shills in Lebanon, (IE, Hizbollah), Israel will bomb Lebanon, and in the process, the Lebanese who hate Hizbollah will wind up getting the s**t end of the stick, as usual.

This is great and all but its forgetting one thing. Hamas has been acting as agents on Iran's behalf for a while now (likely Hezbollah as well). A lot of the rockets fired into Israel in the the past few years and indeed even perhaps farther back have had Iranian aid and blessing. I'm not saying you're wrong on the geopolitical end, just that Iran has played quite a good and convincing game to make the case that most of the world already believes - that Iran is a rogue state and that it would use nuclear weaponry in a rogue manner or worse; pass such weaponry off to their proxies.

On a note back to the original post: I agree that everyone's been against a ground war in Iran, people have been very critical of any claims by presidential candidates to this extent but then when you tell the world and Israel that the US won't do anything - what other option does that leave aside from a cold/covert war? I agree its a can of worms and if we sign off in favor of cold war around the world we're also kind of signing off our own liberties as it becomes a war without borders but, I suppose that's just another Faustian tradeoff that comes with these kinds of decisions.

Hamas was an agent working for Israel's behalf

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I think war is inevitable, but I don't want the US to be involved. Let Israel do what they need to do if they feel it's necessary. Instead of the US spending all this money for military action in Iran (and really, not just Iran, but the ME) use the money to help shield US citizens from the inevitable rise in gas prices?

They've alredy done that! They've been doing it for 30 years.

If Iran develops nuclear technology they will make a crude gun-type device, and give it to their terrorist proxy buddies. They will put it in a shipping container filled with bannanas or kitty litter (both are slightly radioactive) and send it off on a ship to Haifa. No one will ever know until the bomb blows up half the city and kills 100,000 people.

Everyone will suspect Iran (after all, don't we already?) but nothing will be traceable and no direct evidence of complicity will exist. Russia and China will do nothing without solid evidence. Meanwhile US and Israel will blame Iran and almost certainly go in with air power and bomb the crap out of the Iranian conventional forces. They'd lose their entire air force, navy, and armor brigades in the first 48 hours. But that won't matter because Iran will wage unconventional warfare against US and Israeli interests in the region, stepping up US response, and plunging the entire region into war. Russia and China will.... do what? That's the big question.

Iran cannot be allowed to develop nuclear technology. Cannot. They will use it.

And the US had an ally in Osama Bin Laden during the Cold War and propped up Saddam Hussein when they were afraid that Iran under the Ayatollah would roll right over what was left of Iraq and blaze a trail straight for Israel (not to mention - this new and violent Iran was a gift to the world given by Jimmy Carter as much as a Muslim Brotherhood ruled Egypt will be Obama's legacy).

I think the trouble we end up in if we pay this much heed to organizational blood lineage - we don't account for rotations in leadership, generation, motives, etc.. and its not to say that a current regime of any country from year to year will necessarily like many of the decisions made ten or twenty years prior - especially with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight.


I think we should go back to a Sun Tzu analysis of these kinds of things and really look at history to see what the world did, what went wrong, and try to break down conflicts and divide/pop power bubbles like these before they escalate to the need for comitting troops.

Yep. Commit troops to assure a victory. Never commit troops to avoid a defeat.

There is no possibility of victory in the ME. The best possible outcome US can hope for is what happened in Iraq and Afghanistan. A bad regime was kicked out by force, US left the country (or is going to leave in 2014), and plunged the country into a new and different type of unrest and eventually a civil war. That's no victory!

So we shouldn't even try and we should stay the hell away from ME. It's that simple.

And it could all start by drilling here! If only.......

Sparing lives and holding back on troops definitely is not on the agenda.