Ancient Maldivian Buddhas destroyed by Islamists during coup

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19 Feb 2012, 9:34 am

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Islam has been Hijacked.


That doesn't matter. It is still Islam. We have to deal with what we have now.



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19 Feb 2012, 9:35 am

Tequila wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
Islam has been Hijacked.
That doesn't matter. It is still Islam. We have to deal with what we have now.


Watch this video

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK-11GT4Cv0[/youtube]



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19 Feb 2012, 10:31 am

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Stop being Islamophobic. A well known Sufi Muslim scholor called Dr Tahir Ul Qadri has issued a 512-page fatwa on Terrorism in 2010. this Fatwa prooves that terrorism is against the teachings of Islam. He recently came to Wembley stadium on September 2011 for the Peace for Humanity Conference. Tahir Ul Qadri belongs to a peaceful and tolerant branch of Islam called Sufism. No Terrorists are Sufis.


Has this gotten rid of the Wahabi or the Taliban? Every day one hears the explosion of the I.E.D. or the suicide-martyr explosive pack. The explosion of the suicide bomb or I.E.D. has become the new Muslim call to worship. And your buddy Dr. Tahir Ul Qadri has not put a stop to "honor" killing either.

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19 Feb 2012, 10:33 am

ruveyn wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:
Stop being Islamophobic. A well known Sufi Muslim scholor called Dr Tahir Ul Qadri has issued a 512-page fatwa on Terrorism in 2010. this Fatwa prooves that terrorism is against the teachings of Islam. He recently came to Wembley stadium on September 2011 for the Peace for Humanity Conference. Tahir Ul Qadri belongs to a peaceful and tolerant branch of Islam called Sufism. No Terrorists are Sufis.
Has this gotten rid of the Wahabi or the Taliban? Every day one hears the explosion of the I.E.D. or the suicide-martyr explosive pack. The explosion of the suicide bomb or I.E.D. has become the new Muslim call to worship. And your buddy Dr. Tahir Ul Qadri has not put a stop to "honor" killing either. ruveyn

Islam actually condemns Honor Killings and supports womens rights. Treating women as second class citizens is unislamic. You should watch some of Tahir Ul Qadris lectures and you will see how a muslim should act like. Here is a videos.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSkPn4oAHs[/youtube]



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19 Feb 2012, 10:36 am

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Islam actually condemns Honor Killings and supports womens rights.


So f***ing what? The honor killings go on unabated. And the women still have to cover up. Practical Islam is that which is actually practiced, not that which is preached.

No True Scotsman would play the pipes with his rectum, yet there are Scotsmen that do.

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19 Feb 2012, 10:40 am

ruveyn wrote:
Laconvivencia wrote:

Islam actually condemns Honor Killings and supports womens rights.


So f***ing what? The honor killings go on unabated. And the women still have to cover up. Practical Islam is that which is actually practiced, not that which is preached.

No True Scotsman would play the pipes with his rectum, yet there are Scotsmen that do.

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watch this.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNSkPn4oAHs[/youtube]



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19 Feb 2012, 10:46 am

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So f***ing what? The honor killings go on unabated. And the women still have to cover up. Practical Islam is that which is actually practiced, not that which is preached.


This.

And the same goes for Christian terrorists, Jewish terrorists, and nationalist terrorists.



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19 Feb 2012, 10:50 am

Tequila wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
So f***ing what? The honor killings go on unabated. And the women still have to cover up. Practical Islam is that which is actually practiced, not that which is preached.


This.

And the same goes for Christian terrorists, Jewish terrorists, and nationalist terrorists.


All extremists ideologies hijack different religions. Zionism has hijacked Judaism and Saudi Wahhabism and Al Qaeda has hijacked Islam.



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19 Feb 2012, 10:55 am

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All extremists ideologies hijack different religions.


They are still a full part of that religion, as uncomfortable as that may be for you. Pretending that, for instance, that murderous violent extremism isn't a part of lots of different nationalisms is absurd.



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19 Feb 2012, 5:04 pm

Laconvivencia wrote:

All extremists ideologies hijack different religions. Zionism has hijacked Judaism and Saudi Wahhabism and Al Qaeda has hijacked Islam.


Not in the United States.

Besides, Zionism has already achieved its objective. The State of Israel exists. There is a country which Jews can call their own.

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19 Feb 2012, 7:24 pm

The argument is pointless as Salafi fundamentalists are still going to call themselves "true believers" while looking down on the more open minded and spiritually oriented forms of Islam. It's just like the evangelicals here in the US that also think they are the "true believers". I mean, are we going to start arguing that evangelicals are not true Christians because most of them are rabidly anti-homosexual? I think most religions have that type of narrow-minded literalistic strain. It just happens that Islam has the worst brand of it these days.



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19 Feb 2012, 7:30 pm

I read the article, but it didn't seem to address my point. Which of the following are you claiming?

(1.) Mohammed did not destroy idols in the name of Islam.
(2.) Mohammed did do this, but modern Muslims shouldn't do it.



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29 Feb 2012, 2:29 pm

Seems to me that the whole point of destroying 'idols' was to stop people from continuing to worship them.
When the Jews entered the Promised Land, it was full of practicing pantheists, whose temples contained images or standing stones representing local deities. These people were NOT going to hear of a universal invisible spirit, they were not going to turn against their faith(s), so the Israelites destroyed the religions. And the cultures and the people.
My understanding is limited, so PLEASE correct me, but I believe that is the same reason for Muhammad's actions...to make it impossible for the conquered idolaters to continue their practices; to MAKE them turn to and depend upon Allah.
Not arguing that there are nicer ways to spread a religious faith, just sharing my viewpoint of WHY images and temples/sacred sites were destroyed in ancient times.

Buddha figures in a museum were not being worshipped or believed to be avatars of the Buddha, and neither were the Buddhas of Bamiya. The destruction was pointless and completely against the principles for which Aaron's and Muhammad's orders were carried out.
Therefore the actions were against the PRINCIPLE of Muhammad's teaching. I am not aware of any approval of 'Destruction for destruction's sake' in Islamic teaching, correct me if I am wrong.

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29 Feb 2012, 3:16 pm

No great loss. They were just graven images, after all.



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03 Mar 2012, 5:37 pm

So is The 'Pieta', and it would be a great crime and a loss to us all if someone destroyed it because of a violent and misguided hatred of Catholicism or Christianity. So would destroying the Blue Mosque or the Mormon Temple.

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03 Mar 2012, 6:01 pm

Fnord wrote:
No great loss. They were just graven images, after all.


One person's graven image is another person's priceless work of art.

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