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03 Apr 2012, 2:33 pm

we are just cattle to the government

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03 Apr 2012, 2:47 pm

hanyo wrote:

I wouldn't stick anything up there but some people store some strange things in there.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/sarasota/cops-inmate-had-condom-stuffed-30-items-crammed-his-anus

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During a “routine search of inmates” Friday night, jailers “observed part of a condom sticking out of the defendant’s anus.” After the item was dislodged, deputies discovered it contained:

* 17 round blue pills marked “54/199”

* 1 cigarette

* 6 matches

* 1 flint

* 1 empty syringe with eraser over needle

* 1 lip balm container

* 1 condom

* 1 CVS receipt

* 1 paper coupon

"Hold on, I have a coupon for that..."

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03 Apr 2012, 7:09 pm

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Sorry, but this is not unreasonable. Any person under arrest, for any reason, is a potential safety risk to officers, employees, other inmates and themselves. Nobody gets a kick out of seeing your drunk self naked, but I'm not relaxing until I know you're unarmed.

You've just been picked up for jaywalking by a cop in a bad mood. Now they strip you down in your cell.

Yup. Pretty damn reasonable....

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03 Apr 2012, 8:32 pm

I've just been picked up for jaywalking by a cop in a bad mood. They fail to properly search me, and I stab the officer with the knife I carry in my boxers because the voices in my head told me to. Hypotheticals work both ways.

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03 Apr 2012, 8:45 pm

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And is the amount of times that actually happens worth the removal of your rights? Where is the line drawn? What if they decided that they could strip search you any place at any time for any reason? Would that be reasonable because you might be carrying a weapon?

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04 Apr 2012, 1:27 am

Ughh, I just can't win with SCOTUS. If it's full of liberals I have to worry about the 2nd Amendment, and with conservatives the 4th isn't safe. I don't believe the ruling prevents local or even the federal government from enacting laws preventing invasive searches absent cause, but merely finds that nothing in the Constitution prevents them. I've long thought we need a true Right to Privacy amendment, though that's a real long shot.

I'd also like to point out that the Obama DOJ encouraged this outcome, just for all the partisans out there.

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04 Apr 2012, 3:42 am

You have to wonder how those five judges who were behind the majority decision would feel if they were to be picked up, and have a fist shoved up their rectums?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

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04 Apr 2012, 7:45 am

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You should specify which Government you are talking about. There are more than one on this planet.

The link I posted in the first post up there that leads to an article in the New York Times doesn't mention that it's talking about the United States Government?

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04 Apr 2012, 8:01 am

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You should specify which Government you are talking about. There are more than one on this planet.

The link I posted in the first post up there that leads to an article in the New York Times doesn't mention that it's talking about the United States Government?

Non-Americans can be touchy about these things, don't worry too much about it.

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04 Apr 2012, 10:52 am

Ooh sorry I forgot. The default center of universe is the USA ..

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04 Apr 2012, 12:49 pm

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ya I heard this...the conservative party has lost the meaning of "conservative". Jojo

No, this ruling is entirely in keeping with principles of conservatism. Conservatism has always emphasized the importance of tradition, order, social hierarchy & authority. Here the court has ruled that the authority of the police officer over the arrestee is absolute, & ought not be second-guessed by the judiciary, Simply put, this is what we get for electing Republican presidents & having conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court.

The American right (politicians, think-tanks & media) has hijacked the language of liberty & individual rights. Sadly, most Americans, including many of us here, have bought into this lie. But it has always been the liberal left that has emphasized the rights & dignity of the individual.

We Americans are conditioned to think of ourselves as a freedom-loving people, but in reality, what most Americans admire & respect is the stern imposition of authority. The truth of the matter is that a majority of Americans will not be bothered in the least by this ruling. As I've been saying for years to anyone who is willing to listen, the United States of America has an authoritarian future. That future is arriving daily.

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04 Apr 2012, 1:15 pm

sacrip wrote:

Cop takes the job, he takes the risk. Don't infringe my guaranteed rights over a job he chose to take.

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05 Apr 2012, 2:01 am

shrox wrote:

sacrip wrote:

Cop takes the job, he takes the risk. Don't infringe my guaranteed rights over a job he chose to take.

well said.

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05 Apr 2012, 2:03 am

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jojobean wrote:

ya I heard this...the conservative party has lost the meaning of "conservative". Jojo

It is indeed...I cant seem to convince my family that we need to flee the US before we can no longer do that.

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05 Apr 2012, 3:01 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

You have to wonder how those five judges who were behind the majority decision would feel if they were to be picked up, and have a fist shoved up their rectums?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

What is it with you and anal rape, Kraich? This is like the 4th or 5th time I've seen you bring it up; is there something about you I don't know?

You're not an analyst/therapist are you?

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05 Apr 2012, 9:54 am

jojobean wrote:

It is indeed...I cant seem to convince my family that we need to flee the US before we can no longer do that.

The reason I say that the U.S. faces an authoritarian future is not so much because of the rulings of a hard-right Supreme Court, odious as they have been. Rather, it is because there is so little value placed on - & so little political support for - civil liberty among the American people. Bottom line - Americans value order & security over liberty & individual rights. Americans believe in stern authority, omnipresent police & surveillance cameras, mass incarceration & executions. Americans believe in social hierarchy & deference toward authority figures. This is all reflected in our news media, & reflected in the way we vote. Politicians rarely even bother to defend civil liberty - they know it's a political loser.

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