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12 Apr 2012, 1:45 pm

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PM wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-charged-trayvon-martin-death-reports-193845232.html


I expect the only good thing to come out of this is that a court of law will finally get to the truth and I reserve opinion until a jury of his peers has reached a verdict.


I'm not sure if Treyvon Martin is a victim of murder or unfortunate circumstances, however, either way, George Zimmerman is a victim of an irresponsible media, and an angry populace. I believe it will be very difficult for this man to get a fair trial, and I fail to believe a not guilty verdict won't start a riot.


I agree.

George Zimmerman brought this on himself, so yes, it will be very difficult for him to get a fair trial. I'm not surprised this man didn't commit suicide; which is just a quick way out.


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12 Apr 2012, 2:12 pm

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Chronos wrote:
PM wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/george-zimmerman-charged-trayvon-martin-death-reports-193845232.html


I expect the only good thing to come out of this is that a court of law will finally get to the truth and I reserve opinion until a jury of his peers has reached a verdict.


I'm not sure if Treyvon Martin is a victim of murder or unfortunate circumstances, however, either way, George Zimmerman is a victim of an irresponsible media, and an angry populace. I believe it will be very difficult for this man to get a fair trial, and I fail to believe a not guilty verdict won't start a riot.


I agree.

George Zimmerman brought this on himself, so yes, it will be very difficult for him to get a fair trial. I'm not surprised this man didn't commit suicide; which is just a quick way out.


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12 Apr 2012, 3:32 pm

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That's a very dangerous thing. When you put so much trust in to a fallible system you're bound to be screwed by it in the end.


Perhaps so, but at the same time the courts are a codified system that is integral for the maintaining of order. When a person is tried by a court of law, they are subject to a series of universal pre-established legal procedures that aim to determine whether or not the person is guilty of the crime of which he/she has been accused; and to determine the proper form of punishment and/or reparation if a guilty verdict is reached. The procedures followed in the courtroom and the rights granted to the accused - right of protection against self-incrimination, right to counsel with legal expert, right to be tried by a jury of his or her peers - these all exist to prevent a person's own opinions, regardless if they are civilian or part of the law enforcement/criminal justice complex, from influencing a verdict. Does it always work? No. Are people screwed over when it fails? Certainly. But the important thing to remember is that courtroom procedures are generally the same for everyone in this country (though there may be slight differences in state and local courts from place to place), regardless of their history, the crime they are accused of, and their demographic identity (age, gender, race, religion, etc.). Courtroom decisions are not arbitrary, they are the resolution of extensive investigation into the circumstances surrounding a crime. If the courts didn't exist, and we relied on law enforcement and/or the public to determine the fate of the accused, the actions of idealistic vigilantes and prejudiced enforcers would cause a swift descent into anarchy.

While I do agree that having absolute faith in the court system is naive, I will still respect the decision made by any court in this country, because they have the final say in legal matters. I may not like the decision, I may think it to be unfair, but I will go under the assumption that all courtroom procedures have been followed to the letter, and that this is the end result. After all, there are procedures to appeal a court decision by having a higher court examine the case and determine if the court followed procedure, and to re-try the case if not. I believe that any given case can only be analyzed and double-checked so many times, and that if a person has exhausted all possible chances at an appeal that if there was a mistake that could have proved their innocence, it would have been found before now.

It's not a perfect system, but if we cannot abide by it and attempt to act on our own, defying the rule of law and order, then we won't be doing society any favors.


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12 Apr 2012, 4:30 pm

abacacus wrote:
That's a very dangerous thing. When you put so much trust in to a fallible system you're bound to be screwed by it in the end.


I don't necessarily put all my trust in the court system, I just know that any decision they make is binding and there is no use to disagree with it.


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12 Apr 2012, 5:57 pm

PM wrote:
abacacus wrote:
That's a very dangerous thing. When you put so much trust in to a fallible system you're bound to be screwed by it in the end.


I don't necessarily put all my trust in the court system, I just know that any decision they make is binding and there is no use to disagree with it.


It's not binding until the supreme court, you can appeal them (if you have evidence that the trial was biased in some way, or feel the sentence is too harsh, etc).


I get what you mean though.


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18 Apr 2012, 1:27 am

Proof that George Zimmerman is a liar?

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... -certainty

After the Sentinel contacted Owen, he used software called Easy Voice Biometrics to compare Zimmerman's voice to the 911 call screams.

"I took all of the screams and put those together, and cut out everything else," Owen says.

The software compared that audio to Zimmerman's voice. It returned a 48 percent match. Owen said to reach a positive match with audio of this quality, he'd expect higher than 90 percent.

"As a result of that, you can say with reasonable scientific certainty that it's not Zimmerman," Owen says, stressing that he cannot confirm the voice as Trayvon's, because he didn't have a sample of the teen's voice to compare.


He deserves to rot in jail for shooting that kid.