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02 May 2012, 4:21 pm

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My oldest friend years ago moved down to Arizona only a few years after graduating from high school. He came back for a time just a few years ago, and I hardly recognized who he was. The fair minded guy who I had grown up with was gone, replaced by an ignorant, narrow minded bigot who believed blacks were genetically criminal, was proud he was a racist, and who doubted the existence of Asperger's. I don't believe he would have gone off the deep end had he stayed here in Washington. Arizona turned my oldest friend into someone I don't want to know.

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Living in Arizona makes you dumb and bigotted? :lol:

Living in Washington makes you a better person? :lol:


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02 May 2012, 5:10 pm

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My oldest friend years ago moved down to Arizona only a few years after graduating from high school. He came back for a time just a few years ago, and I hardly recognized who he was. The fair minded guy who I had grown up with was gone, replaced by an ignorant, narrow minded bigot who believed blacks were genetically criminal, was proud he was a racist, and who doubted the existence of Asperger's. I don't believe he would have gone off the deep end had he stayed here in Washington. Arizona turned my oldest friend into someone I don't want to know.

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Living in Arizona makes you dumb and bigotted? :lol:

Living in Washington makes you a better person? :lol:


I'm only commenting on my own observations concerning my friend.

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02 May 2012, 8:36 pm

I'd love to leave California for Arizona, but it's not practical right now. Their illegal immigration laws are a good start, but have a long way to go to systematically root them out!


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02 May 2012, 8:51 pm

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I'd love to leave California for Arizona, but it's not practical right now. Their illegal immigration laws are a good start, but have a long way to go to systematically root them out!


They should be rooting them selfs out too cause all americans are immagrants.



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02 May 2012, 8:51 pm

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I'd love to leave California for Arizona, but it's not practical right now. Their illegal immigration laws are a good start, but have a long way to go to systematically root them out!


Funny, I thought you lived in the deep south.

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02 May 2012, 8:55 pm

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John_Browning wrote:
I'd love to leave California for Arizona, but it's not practical right now. Their illegal immigration laws are a good start, but have a long way to go to systematically root them out!


They should be rooting them selfs out too cause all americans are immagrants.


Bigots never think about that fact.

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02 May 2012, 9:02 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
John_Browning wrote:
I'd love to leave California for Arizona, but it's not practical right now. Their illegal immigration laws are a good start, but have a long way to go to systematically root them out!


They should be rooting them selfs out too cause all americans are immagrants.


Bigots never think about that fact.

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I know I tried telling me granfather that he said something in german and I was like what ever :roll:
We fight a lot about politics he hates that I am a strong independent he is a democrat but a biggot which is weird.



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02 May 2012, 9:12 pm

It may come as a shocking revelation but Arizonians obviously have a better grip on what's best for Arizona than Washington DC.



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02 May 2012, 11:24 pm

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It may come as a shocking revelation but Arizonians obviously have a better grip on what's best for Arizona than Washington DC.


Regardless, the constitution states immigration policy is only to be in the hands of the federal government. Unfortunately, the government's attorney before the supreme court isn't making that simple argument.

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03 May 2012, 12:32 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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It may come as a shocking revelation but Arizonians obviously have a better grip on what's best for Arizona than Washington DC.


Regardless, the constitution states immigration policy is only to be in the hands of the federal government. Unfortunately, the government's attorney before the supreme court isn't making that simple argument.

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correct but In AZ the fedaral government plays no role it seems.



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03 May 2012, 12:37 am

Joker wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
It may come as a shocking revelation but Arizonians obviously have a better grip on what's best for Arizona than Washington DC.


Regardless, the constitution states immigration policy is only to be in the hands of the federal government. Unfortunately, the government's attorney before the supreme court isn't making that simple argument.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


correct but In AZ the fedaral government plays no role it seems.


Evidently.

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03 May 2012, 12:42 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Joker wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
It may come as a shocking revelation but Arizonians obviously have a better grip on what's best for Arizona than Washington DC.


Regardless, the constitution states immigration policy is only to be in the hands of the federal government. Unfortunately, the government's attorney before the supreme court isn't making that simple argument.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


correct but In AZ the fedaral government plays no role it seems.


Evidently.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Which just goes to show what type of Democracy the Republicans want us to live in.



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04 May 2012, 1:05 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
My oldest friend years ago moved down to Arizona only a few years after graduating from high school. He came back for a time just a few years ago, and I hardly recognized who he was. The fair minded guy who I had grown up with was gone, replaced by an ignorant, narrow minded bigot who believed blacks were genetically criminal, was proud he was a racist, and who doubted the existence of Asperger's. I don't believe he would have gone off the deep end had he stayed here in Washington. Arizona turned my oldest friend into someone I don't want to know.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sorry to hear your friend got 'Arizoned'. :( I live in AZ, but am trying to sell in order to get out. I have become more and more hermit-like over the years, as I am anyway, and am avoiding Arizona society in general. At one time it was a sort of nice place, with people like Ed Abbey, etc. No longer. Arizona has not changed my belief system; sorry it did so to your friend.



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04 May 2012, 2:10 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
My oldest friend years ago moved down to Arizona only a few years after graduating from high school. He came back for a time just a few years ago, and I hardly recognized who he was. The fair minded guy who I had grown up with was gone, replaced by an ignorant, narrow minded bigot who believed blacks were genetically criminal, was proud he was a racist, and who doubted the existence of Asperger's. I don't believe he would have gone off the deep end had he stayed here in Washington. Arizona turned my oldest friend into someone I don't want to know.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Sorry to hear your friend got 'Arizoned'. :( I live in AZ, but am trying to sell in order to get out. I have become more and more hermit-like over the years, as I am anyway, and am avoiding Arizona society in general. At one time it was a sort of nice place, with people like Ed Abbey, etc. No longer. Arizona has not changed my belief system; sorry it did so to your friend.


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04 May 2012, 2:31 pm

Funny how we don't see any self-professed "libertarians" raising objection to Arizona's immigration law. This law is in fact a grave threat to the civil liberties of ALL Americans. If the Supreme Court upholds it, and there's a good chance that it will, the day will come when any of us could be subject to arrest if we can't provide "proof" of our citizenship to any authority who demands it. As always when liberty is abridged, it is the unpopular groups who are targeted first.

I have to think that Arizona's current political climate stems ultimately from the siege mentality of so many of its white inhabitants, many of them recent arrivals themselves. They sense their power steadily slipping away and are displaying a willingness to "do whatever it takes" to keep this a white man's country. The "paranoid style" (apologies to Hofstadter) is alive and well on the American right.

Who knows? Maybe in the not too distant future, Arizona will be Mexican again.



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04 May 2012, 3:12 pm

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Funny how we don't see any self-professed "libertarians" raising objection to Arizona's immigration law. This law is in fact a grave threat to the civil liberties of ALL Americans. If the Supreme Court upholds it, and there's a good chance that it will, the day will come when any of us could be subject to arrest if we can't provide "proof" our citizenship to any authority who demands it. As always when liberty is abridged, it is the unpopular groups who are targeted first.

I have to think that Arizona's current political climate stems ultimately from the siege mentality of so many of its white inhabitants, many of their recent arrivals themselves. They sense their power steadily slipping away and are displaying a willingness to "do whatever it takes" to keep this a white man's country. The "paranoid style" (apologies to Hofstadter) is alive and well on the American right.

Who knows? Maybe in the not too distant future, Arizona will be Mexican again.


That Arizona immigration law was in fact written by people with close association with white supremacists who fear the browning of America. And while the idiot who had introduced the bill had been voted out of the state legislature by voters in his district (there are still many good people in Arizona - I hope I didn't accidentally imply there weren't), the state governor, Jan "headless bodies out in the dessert" Brewer has since made him the head of the Republican party, I believe.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer