Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath?

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05 Jun 2012, 7:41 am

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you can call a 9 year old that because it is a medical term like flu or chickenpox. it is just most people use it in a derogatory way and that is why everyone thinks it is a mean word.the same thing with the word ret*d.



How old are you? Just curious.

I'm all for analogies but you can't compare psychopathy to the flu or chicken pox. I mean, aesthetically, this may be pleasing, but in real life, no way.

I don't even like it when people compare depression to diabetes... but comparing the flu to psychopathy is kind of weird logic.

The problem with the logic is that the psychopath lives by different rules.

I get a little tired of hearing about mental illness compared to psychopathy. It just gives mental illness a bad name.

I don't know, I think you might want to think about what you have said. There are some really really really bad people out there that you may not know about.



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05 Jun 2012, 7:43 am

And yes, I think it is possible for a 9 year old to be psychopath. I do think neurology plays a very large part, and so while a 9 year old psychopath is not as capable at doling out the punishment (if he/she is the sadistic kind) all the traits are still there. Age makes no difference.

Natures plays a part, but I have read about this, and I am pretty sure that neurology is also a very large part of it. Let's just not call it mental illness. To call psychopathy a mental illness serves no function for very obvious reasons.



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05 Jun 2012, 9:35 am

heavenlyabyss wrote:
rileyup wrote:
you can call a 9 year old that because it is a medical term like flu or chickenpox. it is just most people use it in a derogatory way and that is why everyone thinks it is a mean word.the same thing with the word ret*d.
I'm all for analogies but you can't compare psychopathy to the flu or chicken pox.
But rileyup isn't comparing them. Instead she's stating that psychopathy is a medical term and flu or chicken pox are also medical terms. There is no implication of an equivalence, just the establishment that all are medical terms.
The main point is that as medical terms, they can be applied to anyone.
Again, there is no comparison: just an observation that it's simply a medical term like the others are medical terms.


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05 Jun 2012, 12:04 pm

Probably an incredibly judgemental and ill-thought-out response, but I'd be tempted to put the kid into care to protect the brother.



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05 Jun 2012, 5:50 pm

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Before I met my wife, I had dated a girl with Borderline Personality Disorder, though I think she could fit the definition of a psychopath.


Yeah, I am currently with a man who has a lot of qualities of NPD. But sometimes he talks like a psychopath.

One night he was talking about his co-workers. He was so angry because they "never worked" and just "had fun." Including his boss. Then he said, "it's OK. I'll just act like them. They're so easy to read--like an open book. It's not hard if you have the ability."

He often talks of wearing a "mask" all the time. Or being an "actor."

To everyone else we know he seems like this super-nice, charming guy. He's the first one to offer you help, compliment you, or give you a big smile. If you share a belief he disagrees with, he will agree with you and compliment you on how you are right.

Then, when he's alone with me he will become emotionally abusive. Sometimes he starts yelling about how he wants to shoot people for doing minor things.

And it's amazing to watch him switch. He'll go from degrading me, sulking, and refusing to speak to me, and then if an other acquaintance calls him, he immediately changes everything about his tone of voice and becomes this layed back, charming man. He laughs, makes light jokes--EVERYTHING about him changes. It's pretty creepy.

And the other creepy thing is that all these friends of his think he's so amazing and nice--the most helpful man in the world....but when they aren't around he complains and attacks them all...for little slights. Like one night he was yelling, because his friend hadn't called him--he was yelling at me as if I was his friend, "You f-ing a-----! I hope you die in the street! I'll f*** shoot you myself. I'll dance over your body!" And then he did a little dance.

I sometimes wonder if he is a psychopath.

I know this isn't the thread to go off on psychopaths--and I don't want to get into a "you should leave him" discussion--I'm all on top of that. But I think about that a lot--I wonder if he's a mild psychopath.

As for child psychopaths--can't they find psychopathy by brain imaging? Does it not work for children? What about giving them injections of cortisol. I know that we don't want to mess with kids biology, but I really do dislike psychopaths. It must be terrible for the mother.


And you are still with this person because...?


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05 Jun 2012, 11:02 pm

Zinia wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Before I met my wife, I had dated a girl with Borderline Personality Disorder, though I think she could fit the definition of a psychopath.


Yeah, I am currently with a man who has a lot of qualities of NPD. But sometimes he talks like a psychopath.

One night he was talking about his co-workers. He was so angry because they "never worked" and just "had fun." Including his boss. Then he said, "it's OK. I'll just act like them. They're so easy to read--like an open book. It's not hard if you have the ability."

He often talks of wearing a "mask" all the time. Or being an "actor."

To everyone else we know he seems like this super-nice, charming guy. He's the first one to offer you help, compliment you, or give you a big smile. If you share a belief he disagrees with, he will agree with you and compliment you on how you are right.

Then, when he's alone with me he will become emotionally abusive. Sometimes he starts yelling about how he wants to shoot people for doing minor things.

And it's amazing to watch him switch. He'll go from degrading me, sulking, and refusing to speak to me, and then if an other acquaintance calls him, he immediately changes everything about his tone of voice and becomes this layed back, charming man. He laughs, makes light jokes--EVERYTHING about him changes. It's pretty creepy.

And the other creepy thing is that all these friends of his think he's so amazing and nice--the most helpful man in the world....but when they aren't around he complains and attacks them all...for little slights. Like one night he was yelling, because his friend hadn't called him--he was yelling at me as if I was his friend, "You f-ing a-----! I hope you die in the street! I'll f*** shoot you myself. I'll dance over your body!" And then he did a little dance.

I sometimes wonder if he is a psychopath.

I know this isn't the thread to go off on psychopaths--and I don't want to get into a "you should leave him" discussion--I'm all on top of that. But I think about that a lot--I wonder if he's a mild psychopath.

As for child psychopaths--can't they find psychopathy by brain imaging? Does it not work for children? What about giving them injections of cortisol. I know that we don't want to mess with kids biology, but I really do dislike psychopaths. It must be terrible for the mother.



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06 Jun 2012, 3:51 am

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rileyup wrote:
you can call a 9 year old that because it is a medical term like flu or chickenpox. it is just most people use it in a derogatory way and that is why everyone thinks it is a mean word.the same thing with the word ret*d.
I'm all for analogies but you can't compare psychopathy to the flu or chicken pox.
But rileyup isn't comparing them. Instead she's stating that psychopathy is a medical term and flu or chicken pox are also medical terms. There is no implication of an equivalence, just the establishment that all are medical terms.
The main point is that as medical terms, they can be applied to anyone.
Again, there is no comparison: just an observation that it's simply a medical term like the others are medical terms.


Okay, thanks for the clarification. I see this kind of logic occasionally so I jumped to the conclusion.



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06 Jun 2012, 11:29 am

This aspie boy I knew in my teens, I wonder if he was a psychopath, he did have ODD and he abused his mother and went around hurting other kids in his school by hitting them and stuff and hurting handicapped kids and he bragged me to be about breaking their bones. He also did it for control. It worked at home but not at school and he was also a chronic liar.


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06 Jun 2012, 11:40 am

I think it depends very much on whether you are viewing diagnosis as a means or as an end.

The medical treatment disorders in childhood is very different from the treatment of disorders in adults. If you diagnose a 9 year old as a psychopath and then treat the child as you would an adult psychopath, then you are potentially doing the child a great deal of harm.

But if you diagnose the 9 year old as a psychopath with a view to creating a program of therapy that is designed to allow the child's developmental abilities to grow beyond the psychopathy (if that's possible) or at least to mitigate it, then we are in a proper therapeutic setting, in my view.

All too often in general conversation we tend to view diagnosis as an end; as if the diagnosis served as a complete and sufficient explanation of the behaviours that preceded it. But every diagnosis must come with the question, "what is to be done about it?"


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06 Jun 2012, 12:59 pm

How are adult psychopaths treated?

I am realizing psychopathy does not mean doing crime and violence, as they are portrayed as. They can actually be normal people living normal lives and be charming and not a criminal nor violent.


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06 Jun 2012, 2:35 pm

League girl wrote:
This aspie boy I knew in my teens, I wonder if he was a psychopath, he did have ODD and he abused his mother and went around hurting other kids in his school by hitting them and stuff and hurting handicapped kids and he bragged me to be about breaking their bones. He also did it for control. It worked at home but not at school and he was also a chronic liar.


That doesn't sound like autism but I have noticed every single autistic person you meet is a chronic liar and seems to be psycho.



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07 Jun 2012, 12:16 am

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League girl wrote:
This aspie boy I knew in my teens, I wonder if he was a psychopath, he did have ODD and he abused his mother and went around hurting other kids in his school by hitting them and stuff and hurting handicapped kids and he bragged me to be about breaking their bones. He also did it for control. It worked at home but not at school and he was also a chronic liar.


That doesn't sound like autism but I have noticed every single autistic person you meet is a chronic liar and seems to be psycho.



I have met or seen some bad apples with it, I only knew two in real life. The rest online. Plus I tend to talk about the same people who are the bad apples. I don't know if I would call them all psychos or chronic liars. It's most likely I was talking about this same aspie every time I mention an aspie boy with ODD and the horrible stuff he did so that would seem why every autistic person I meet is a chronic liar and a psycho if you meant that. Plus I knew one online who also said he had ODD and he was also violent but I don't speak to him anymore and I don't think I have ever talked about him in my posts. Now I just have. :wink:


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08 Jun 2012, 3:24 pm

TheygoMew wrote:
League girl wrote:
This aspie boy I knew in my teens, I wonder if he was a psychopath, he did have ODD and he abused his mother and went around hurting other kids in his school by hitting them and stuff and hurting handicapped kids and he bragged me to be about breaking their bones. He also did it for control. It worked at home but not at school and he was also a chronic liar.


That doesn't sound like autism but I have noticed every single autistic person you meet is a chronic liar and seems to be psycho.


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09 Jun 2012, 11:32 pm

I don't know about the current ICD, but according to the DSM no one under the age of 18 could be diagnosed with a personality disorder. I think with the ICD it's a guideline (not a requirement) that a diagnosis of a personality disorder not be appropriate for anyone under 16-17 years old. Psychopathy isn't technically a medical term used by the APA anymore, however, many people consider psychopathy as worse than antisocial personality disorder (APD is supposed to be a more broad set of characteristics, while psychopathy is considered a more rare and severe condition). I've read that somewhere between 60-80% of prison inmates have (or could have) APD, and that 10-15% could be psychopaths. Technically, you can't receive an official diagnosis with the DSM of APD until 18 (unsure about the ICD), but it doesn't mean that a nine year old can't exhibit psychopathic traits. Much of the time these kinds of kids get diagnosed with conduct disorder, and then later with APD. Hope this helps :)


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09 Jun 2012, 11:50 pm

You could if he or she was diagnosed as a psychopath.



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10 Jun 2012, 3:59 am

Psychopathy is fascinating. Has anyone here seen "We Need to Talk About Kevin?" This article reminds me of that and YES, I do believe psychopathy is inborn and present from a young age.


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