Americans To Be Tortured For Refusing To Show ID?

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Give authorities any more power than they strictly need to carry out their duties and they will abuse it for their own ends.

This is also relevant to us in the UK, as our authoritarian slimeballs - sorry, Labour Government - are introducing them with a hugely intrusive national register. This must not be allowed to pass.

Stop ID cards and the database state!

These sort of events reduce the legitimacy of law.

If you just go around abusing people because they don't do everything you say just because your wearing some article of clothing, it changes the nature of things.


If the only reason these organizations like the police and the army and the like exist is to force control on people? You have no obligation to obey. Only to preserve yourself.

Having a gun does not make you right.


The problem with the "might makes right" way of thinking, is that you're only right as long as you hold more power. No matter how indignant you might be about it when you come across someone stronger.



But then, not all cops are like this. Just far, far too many.

They keep pushing the limits of what is acceptable. Last year's atrocities are this year's justifiable use of force.

Uhhhh, it does not look like he was disturbing the peace until after he was shocked. Let me send 50,000 volts through you and see if you do not scream.

He didn't show his ID because he had forgotten it, didn't have it on him. He was leaving, there are witnesses to that fact. The police pre-empted compliance and then did a number on him.

It has become far too acceptible for police to contrive that a person is a threat and treat him as such. Police are supposed to take risks to protect citizens, risks with their own life, and when they can't do this on the off chance that he will grab a gun or something, they don't want to do their jobs and shouldn't have them.

Mandatory, five years jail minimum for each of those officers. Aggravated battery, under color of law.

I'm not saying if what happened was justifiable or not. My Aspie father who is also a federal agent and I were talking about this. The incident should be investigated, but from just that video, we can't tell exactly how it all started.

A police officer is there to enforce the laws on the books: State, Federal, County, City (or campus.) Different states have different laws concerning ID. (and many times they conflict.) In New York state, state law does state that any NY resident 16 or older, must carry a New York State ID at all times. This law has been in effect for over 30 years. If indeed a similar law is on the books for the campus, LA or California, then the officers had the right to ask. They are there to protect and if indeed it was random or not.

Remember that whenever you are stopped, or questions by an officer, you are now a suspect. That doesn't mean you don't have any writes or even under arrested, but it does mean that you have to comply to the officers reasonable request (like showing an ID.) Now instead of the guy saying he didn't have his ID on him, he confronted the officer with a "I don't have to show you.." remark. If indeed it was unlawful, that is not the time or place to resist. Wait till later and fight it in court because that is the time and place to do it.

Now any police officer is trained to subdue a suspect at any sign of resistance in a physical nature. It could be as simple as pointing and putting your finger on an officer. (That's all it takes for an officer to get physical with you.) We don't know if this was the case or not here. I would bet it was since there were so many witnesses.

-Scott

Tallfreak, that kind of domination is exactly what a police state is made up of.