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BazzaMcKenzie
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15 Dec 2006, 1:39 am

Who is this Bill guy :lol:

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr - don't get me started :wink:

What's wrong with someone hunting? Why discriminate just because they are blind? Provided its supervised and safe, why not?

SOme of you have emotional/ethical views on hunting, I know. But so do I. Hunting is a most excellent sport and pastime, with lots of social benefits. But if you think thats crap, there is no point me trying to convince you. :(

All the same, in my WASP culture, hunting has a long tradition. In a multicultural society (as Asutralia is said to be), why can't there be room for hunting too? Why can't a blind guy/girl experience this too?


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15 Dec 2006, 4:06 am

Look, I'm a big fan of hunting myself. I may not have actually shot Bambi's mom, but I was there, and I can vouch that she was absolutely delicious.

However.... blind people can't hunt. They are unable to, at least where game is concerned. They can help you hunt around the couch for the remote that you lost, sure, but they are physically incapapable of the "hunting" part. This may be unfair, but it happens to be the way that the cookie crumbles. The most they can do is, when told, pull the trigger on a weapon that is pointed at something that they can't see.

Let's say that again, with some emphasis. "...pull the trigger on a weapon that is pointed at something that they can't see."

There are certain things that blind people shouldn't do. For example, they should not act as lifeguards, perform surgery, juggle chainsaws, drive cars, throw knives, swordfight, and shoot guns. Let's take the best example, driving. Yes, a person could tell a blind man to turn left here, slow down, stop, etc. but they don't let blind people drive because that's a good way to get someone hurt, crippled, or dead.

I still say this is a way to get the extra frills made available to regular hunters. "We'll let them use laser sights." Eh? They can't see the fracking beam. You mean you'll let YOU use a laser sight to help them.


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15 Dec 2006, 10:35 am

I agree with you, Catalyst. This is not about my personal views on hunting either. This is about a person discharging a firearm at something that they can't see! BAAAAAAAAAAAD IDEA.



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15 Dec 2006, 5:19 pm

Personally, there's no moral or ethical issue at stake, nor do I think the whole thing is just mass chaos waiting to happen (simply because there can't be all THAT many blind people in TX that have the overwhelming urge to go hunting). It's more of an "I don't get it... WTF?" thing.
Much like the blind hunter and the deer, I don't see the point. I can't fathom what anyone would get out of that.
For me, the enjoyable aspects of hunting are the camping, the tracking of an animal, and the marksmanship. Well, and the eating of said aminul.
Ok, so Blind Guy (whom I'll henceforth call Ted for no particular reason, and no offense to anyone who is either blind and/or named Ted) wants to go hunting. He gets his permits, etc, gets his sighted guideperson, takes his seeing-eye dog and off they go into the Texas Hill Country. Arriving at their spot, they set up camp and while Sighted Guy (henceforth known as Bill) starts making dinner, he tells Ted to go check on the deer-feeder and see if the there's any recent tracks.
"Bill, you tard, I'm blind. How would I know?"
"Oh, right. Ok."
So, after spending the evening trading stories and drinking a few beers, they pack it in for the night. Bright and early the next morning, off they go.
Sadly, there are no deer.
This goes on for two days.
On day 3, Bill and Ted are beginning to get annoyed at the lack of deer. Bill says" T'hell with this" and finds an "acceptable" buck, says "Oh look, there's a deer! Kill it!", runs over to Ted, tells him when the red dot is over the heart/lung and says "Ok, fire".
Ted does so, the rifle report scares the crap out of his dog who runs away but is still tethered to Ted. This causes Ted to whirl around offbalance and accidentally shoot Bill, which scares the crap out of the poor dog even further. Meanwhile, Ted is trying to regain his balance but in so doing discharges another round which, by sheer bad luck, penetrates his truck's gas tank and sparks from the interaction of the copper/tungsten jacketing ignites the gasoline fumes thus causing the truck to explode, turning Ted's sight-dog into a charred mass.
So, now poor Ted's stuck out in the middle of nowhere, dead deer, dead Bill, dead dog, dead truck and no way home. So he wanders around, tripping over cactus and getting mesquite branches up his nose until he freezes to death.

I hope you lawmakers are happy.



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16 Dec 2006, 2:19 am

The wonderful story by Disease,is exactly why they are passing said bill.....Americans love a good story....if it involves charred mammals and dead folks,all the better.The media needs something to talk about besides Iraq and the latest "hooywood scandal".


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16 Dec 2006, 6:21 am

Actually, that may be the leverage to get it stopped... since there is very little likelihood of the animals getting charred.


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16 Dec 2006, 6:52 am

diseased wrote:
Personally, there's no moral or ethical issue at stake, ...
So, now poor Ted's stuck out in the middle of nowhere, dead deer, dead Bill, dead dog, dead truck and no way home. So he wanders around, tripping over cactus and getting mesquite branches up his nose until he freezes to death.
I hope you lawmakers are happy.

That's cause any decent guide would have a blind client use a Thomson-Centre or Ruger No.1. Also since you have to be close, a thutty-thutty any good guide's recommended calibre, which has very low muzzle blast and shoot round nose copper jacketed bullets. Non of this tungsten crap (I never heard of it - what's the wear on your bore like?). Ted's family sue Bill's estate for negligence. :lol:


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17 Dec 2006, 12:43 am

Oh i remember reading in the newspaper a few years ago about this hunter who was probably drunk shot these two little kids playing in they're backyard because they had white mittens on and he thought they were white deer tails.



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17 Dec 2006, 5:01 pm

Thinking about it some more, I don't think its right for someone blind to "hunt".

Its not really hunting.

I know of blind people who shoot targets, which is OK.


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