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04 Apr 2013, 3:09 am

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One of the most ridiculous things I've come across is two people who truly believes that the United States constitutes the lost tribe of Israel.

They apparently believe us all to be Jewish regardless of whether or not we actually have any Jewish ancestors. Living in the United States makes you Jewish.


In the nineteenth century the theory that the American Indians are all really "the Lost Tribe of Israel" was popular ( I believe that it may still be woven into Mormonism to this day), but I've never heard of this idea!

All of us?
If our forefathers came on the Mayflower, or through Ellis Island, or on slave ships from Africa, or snuck across the Rio Grande yesterday, or were of the first nations,are ALL of the lost tribe of Israel?

Boggles the mind how that could be possible!


This crap is tied to the White Christian Identity movement, which is the Yankee version of the British Israel movement. This (cough) theology argues the lost tribes of Israel had ended up in western and northern Europe, where they had forgotten who they were and became either the Anglo-Saxons, all Germanic peoples, Celts, or all these groups - depending on whose ranting you're listening to. Coming from Europe, the theory is is that these true Israelites founded America, the true Promised Land. Very Antisemitic, they claim the modern day Jews are imposters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That's not the case for the two I was talking about. Neither of the two have ever expressed any interest in or sympathy with any form of any movement of that sort.


Really? Then I've never heard of the groups you're familiar with.

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I didn't say anything about them being members of a group. For that matter, neither of the two are much into joining anything.


Okay. Were they to seek joining people who see America as the Promised Land, they'd find racist lunatics.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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04 Apr 2013, 6:45 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
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One of the most ridiculous things I've come across is two people who truly believes that the United States constitutes the lost tribe of Israel.

They apparently believe us all to be Jewish regardless of whether or not we actually have any Jewish ancestors. Living in the United States makes you Jewish.


In the nineteenth century the theory that the American Indians are all really "the Lost Tribe of Israel" was popular ( I believe that it may still be woven into Mormonism to this day), but I've never heard of this idea!

All of us?
If our forefathers came on the Mayflower, or through Ellis Island, or on slave ships from Africa, or snuck across the Rio Grande yesterday, or were of the first nations,are ALL of the lost tribe of Israel?

Boggles the mind how that could be possible!


This crap is tied to the White Christian Identity movement, which is the Yankee version of the British Israel movement. This (cough) theology argues the lost tribes of Israel had ended up in western and northern Europe, where they had forgotten who they were and became either the Anglo-Saxons, all Germanic peoples, Celts, or all these groups - depending on whose ranting you're listening to. Coming from Europe, the theory is is that these true Israelites founded America, the true Promised Land. Very Antisemitic, they claim the modern day Jews are imposters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That's not the case for the two I was talking about. Neither of the two have ever expressed any interest in or sympathy with any form of any movement of that sort.


Really? Then I've never heard of the groups you're familiar with.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I didn't say anything about them being members of a group. For that matter, neither of the two are much into joining anything.


Okay. Were they to seek joining people who see America as the Promised Land, they'd find racist lunatics.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I doubt that. There are probably some racist lunatics who see it that way, but it seems rather far fetched to think that everyone who sees it that way is a racist lunatic.



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04 Apr 2013, 7:03 am

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Hmm...

Q10 - Do you believe aliens exist, or not?

And this is a conspiracy theory? Extremely sloppy survey design.


That provides a level of control on the results. By including questions that are related in theme, but which differ in substance, you can gauge the honesty of responses. We expect a higher level of response to "do you believe aliens exist" (which merely questions the potential for extraterrestrial life) than the question "do you believe that an alien spacecraft landed in Roswell, and that the government is covering it up."


I dont like the question either. Do I believe that aliens exist? Yes, in an enormous universe, there is a good chance that somewhere some cells will exist, that are able to interact. Be it bacterias, moss, or other stuff. Yes, even alien moss is an alien. ^^ Do I think that aliens travel to the earth to put their fingers in our backsides? Definitely no. ^^

And Obama the antichrist and shape shifting reptilians? I mean is it meant as "Obama is the antichrist" in the way that expresses, that they simply dont like Obama and think he makes a bad politician with negative effects, or is it meant in the way that Obama really shall be the antichrist as it is meant in the bible? If its the last one, I am really astouned. So sure you can have your personal views upon him, but even if you only link him to bad politics and misadvantages, there have been similar presidents before, that were not linked to being an antichrist. So the only thing, that I know that separates him from other presidents would be the skin colour, but being black shouldnt be turning you into the antichrist. O_o



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04 Apr 2013, 9:05 am

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I agree, the poll is a mess and manipulative (no surprise there). It would have gotten much more accurate results if it offered options like "do you believe extraterrestrial life exists", "do you believe in aliens", "do you believe in little green people who want to give you an anal probe"

Same for Obama, if they had options for "he's a terrible president" or similar I seriously doubt so many would have answered he's the Antichrist 8O

The way you ask the questions will determine the results you get to a great extent and those who make such polls are fully aware of it.



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04 Apr 2013, 12:15 pm

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I agree, the poll is a mess and manipulative (no surprise there). It would have gotten much more accurate results if it offered options like "do you believe extraterrestrial life exists", "do you believe in aliens", "do you believe in little green people who want to give you an anal probe"

Same for Obama, if they had options for "he's a terrible president" or similar I seriously doubt so many would have answered he's the Antichrist 8O

The way you ask the questions will determine the results you get to a great extent and those who make such polls are fully aware of it.


The goal is not "accurate" results, in the sense that you mean, but an accurate assessment of the beliefs that the polled population hold, and their willingness to expres them.

By phrasing the questions in the way that you have, you immediately skew to a virtually unanimous reply in one direction or another, which defeats the statistical purpose of putting these questions in such a survey.

Does anyone have an honest belief that Obama is the best referred to in Revelations? Yet 13% (IIRC) are willing to say that they do have such a belief. The gap between what is credible and what is stated is an important aspect to this type of polling.

I don't believe that 4% of people in the United States believe in the control of lizard people. But I believe that 4% are mischievous enough to say that they do. That leaves us a gap of 9% between the mischievous and those who reported the antichrist response. That margin is the "blind political anger" margin, and it's a useful number to know.


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04 Apr 2013, 2:40 pm

eric76 wrote:
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eric76 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
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eric76 wrote:
One of the most ridiculous things I've come across is two people who truly believes that the United States constitutes the lost tribe of Israel.

They apparently believe us all to be Jewish regardless of whether or not we actually have any Jewish ancestors. Living in the United States makes you Jewish.


In the nineteenth century the theory that the American Indians are all really "the Lost Tribe of Israel" was popular ( I believe that it may still be woven into Mormonism to this day), but I've never heard of this idea!

All of us?
If our forefathers came on the Mayflower, or through Ellis Island, or on slave ships from Africa, or snuck across the Rio Grande yesterday, or were of the first nations,are ALL of the lost tribe of Israel?

Boggles the mind how that could be possible!


This crap is tied to the White Christian Identity movement, which is the Yankee version of the British Israel movement. This (cough) theology argues the lost tribes of Israel had ended up in western and northern Europe, where they had forgotten who they were and became either the Anglo-Saxons, all Germanic peoples, Celts, or all these groups - depending on whose ranting you're listening to. Coming from Europe, the theory is is that these true Israelites founded America, the true Promised Land. Very Antisemitic, they claim the modern day Jews are imposters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That's not the case for the two I was talking about. Neither of the two have ever expressed any interest in or sympathy with any form of any movement of that sort.


Really? Then I've never heard of the groups you're familiar with.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I didn't say anything about them being members of a group. For that matter, neither of the two are much into joining anything.


Okay. Were they to seek joining people who see America as the Promised Land, they'd find racist lunatics.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I doubt that. There are probably some racist lunatics who see it that way, but it seems rather far fetched to think that everyone who sees it that way is a racist lunatic.


In all honesty, I've never heard of non-racist, sane persons who believe America is the promised land, and that Americans are the chosen people. That's not to say there aren't any - just haven't heard of them.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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04 Apr 2013, 2:55 pm

eric76 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
eric76 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
eric76 wrote:
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eric76 wrote:
One of the most ridiculous things I've come across is two people who truly believes that the United States constitutes the lost tribe of Israel.

They apparently believe us all to be Jewish regardless of whether or not we actually have any Jewish ancestors. Living in the United States makes you Jewish.


In the nineteenth century the theory that the American Indians are all really "the Lost Tribe of Israel" was popular ( I believe that it may still be woven into Mormonism to this day), but I've never heard of this idea!

All of us?
If our forefathers came on the Mayflower, or through Ellis Island, or on slave ships from Africa, or snuck across the Rio Grande yesterday, or were of the first nations,are ALL of the lost tribe of Israel?

Boggles the mind how that could be possible!


This crap is tied to the White Christian Identity movement, which is the Yankee version of the British Israel movement. This (cough) theology argues the lost tribes of Israel had ended up in western and northern Europe, where they had forgotten who they were and became either the Anglo-Saxons, all Germanic peoples, Celts, or all these groups - depending on whose ranting you're listening to. Coming from Europe, the theory is is that these true Israelites founded America, the true Promised Land. Very Antisemitic, they claim the modern day Jews are imposters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That's not the case for the two I was talking about. Neither of the two have ever expressed any interest in or sympathy with any form of any movement of that sort.


Really? Then I've never heard of the groups you're familiar with.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I didn't say anything about them being members of a group. For that matter, neither of the two are much into joining anything.


Okay. Were they to seek joining people who see America as the Promised Land, they'd find racist lunatics.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I doubt that. There are probably some racist lunatics who see it that way, but it seems rather far fetched to think that everyone who sees it that way is a racist lunatic.


Are you trying to say that...some of these "americans are the lost tribe" believers are... equal opportunity lunatics?

Lol!

Well... maybe thats still better than the other kind!



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04 Apr 2013, 3:19 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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eric76 wrote:
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eric76 wrote:
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One of the most ridiculous things I've come across is two people who truly believes that the United States constitutes the lost tribe of Israel.

They apparently believe us all to be Jewish regardless of whether or not we actually have any Jewish ancestors. Living in the United States makes you Jewish.


In the nineteenth century the theory that the American Indians are all really "the Lost Tribe of Israel" was popular ( I believe that it may still be woven into Mormonism to this day), but I've never heard of this idea!

All of us?
If our forefathers came on the Mayflower, or through Ellis Island, or on slave ships from Africa, or snuck across the Rio Grande yesterday, or were of the first nations,are ALL of the lost tribe of Israel?

Boggles the mind how that could be possible!


This crap is tied to the White Christian Identity movement, which is the Yankee version of the British Israel movement. This (cough) theology argues the lost tribes of Israel had ended up in western and northern Europe, where they had forgotten who they were and became either the Anglo-Saxons, all Germanic peoples, Celts, or all these groups - depending on whose ranting you're listening to. Coming from Europe, the theory is is that these true Israelites founded America, the true Promised Land. Very Antisemitic, they claim the modern day Jews are imposters.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


That's not the case for the two I was talking about. Neither of the two have ever expressed any interest in or sympathy with any form of any movement of that sort.


Really? Then I've never heard of the groups you're familiar with.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
I didn't say anything about them being members of a group. For that matter, neither of the two are much into joining anything.


Okay. Were they to seek joining people who see America as the Promised Land, they'd find racist lunatics.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I doubt that. There are probably some racist lunatics who see it that way, but it seems rather far fetched to think that everyone who sees it that way is a racist lunatic.


Are you trying to say that...some of these "americans are the lost tribe" believers are... equal opportunity lunatics?

Lol!

Well... maybe thats still better than the other kind!


The Mormons would probably disagree with that characterization. I think they generally believe America to be the Promised Land. I've met quite a few Mormons and they never struck me as being lunatics or racists.



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04 Apr 2013, 6:28 pm

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The Mormons would probably disagree with that characterization. I think they generally believe America to be the Promised Land. I've met quite a few Mormons and they never struck me as being lunatics or racists.


Which is a surprise, because the stuff they believe in is definitely loony and a little racist. The Book of Mormon explains how all native americans escaped from Jerusalem and that their darker complexion was punishment from god. I haven't known any mormons who were actually racist, and I've known more than enough who graduated college; but what they believe in is still crazy.


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04 Apr 2013, 8:38 pm

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The Mormons would probably disagree with that characterization. I think they generally believe America to be the Promised Land. I've met quite a few Mormons and they never struck me as being lunatics or racists.


Which is a surprise, because the stuff they believe in is definitely loony and a little racist. The Book of Mormon explains how all native americans escaped from Jerusalem and that their darker complexion was punishment from god. I haven't known any mormons who were actually racist, and I've known more than enough who graduated college; but what they believe in is still crazy.


This.



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08 Apr 2013, 11:42 am

i happen to be very fond of reptilian conspiracy theories, even if i don't believe them.

it also makes sense to me that our hidden rulers aren't really very good at it.

in fact, i think their real interest lies in some game whose stakes we can't even guess...if they smash the planet in the process, that may only be incidental.

one of them could still win on points.


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08 Apr 2013, 3:28 pm

Has anyone of the reptilian conspiracy ilk ever rationalized that they were trying to recapture the earth following having lost it to the age of the dinosaurs/birds, followed by the rise of mammals, and thus man? Sort of makes sense, I'd think, being that after millions of years, they'd want to become the supreme species again(!).

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08 Apr 2013, 5:09 pm

About the only thing nuttier than the reptiles taking over the world thing is the voter suppression conspiracy lunacy.


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08 Apr 2013, 6:20 pm

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About the only thing nuttier than the reptiles taking over the world thing is the voter suppression conspiracy lunacy.


I think people in Florida living in overwhelming Democratic or poorer precincts would beg to differ. Especially when recalling how the number of polling stations were reduced to the point of creating six hour long voting lines. Or how black voters were asked to show I.D. much more often than whites were.
Incidentally, one Florida Republican official after the last election conceded that this was a purposeful attempt to discourage Democrats from voting.

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08 Apr 2013, 6:46 pm

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Incidentally, one Florida Republican official after the last election conceded that this was a purposeful attempt to discourage Democrats from voting.

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The witness of a single person is not conclusive. It won't stand up in court.

Was he a direct witness in such a conspiracy or was he merely supposing that was the reason for the treatment of black voters in Southern Florida. If the latter, then he expressed an opinion or hearsay and not direct witness. Don't be so quick to jump to conclusion thus exposing your own prejudices against Republicans.

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08 Apr 2013, 7:55 pm

Luckily, it's only 4%. Unfortunately that would be about 12 million people when applied to the whole of society.

As for the alien question, I don't like it either. The probability that there is life on other planets is pretty high. Do I believe they travel who knows how many light years to come to earth and build pyramids? No.