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Awesomelyglorious
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13 Jan 2007, 8:14 pm

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I think he's insane, Bush is completely out of touch with things. I must admitt I would be a better president, at least I'd be able to kill all the Iraq scum using an Atomic bomb, well actually like 9... we could totally irradiate Iraq then nobody would fight over it anymore, in the meanwhile I'd do the same to the surrounding trash countries that have no electricity, better to die sooner rather than be tortured by wannabie dictators.

Also I'd destroy Africa, it's useless :-Z~

Wait, you'd nuke everything and you think that you would be a better president?? Wow!! You are joking, right? You do realize that you would cause the US to be ostracized by the rest of the world if not drive many nations to declare war or launch their nukes, right? As well that large groups within the US would start trying to wage civil war! I mean, you'd probably be impeached or assassinated or destroy the US in some manner!



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13 Jan 2007, 9:42 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
sderenzi wrote:
I think he's insane, Bush is completely out of touch with things. I must admitt I would be a better president, at least I'd be able to kill all the Iraq scum using an Atomic bomb, well actually like 9... we could totally irradiate Iraq then nobody would fight over it anymore, in the meanwhile I'd do the same to the surrounding trash countries that have no electricity, better to die sooner rather than be tortured by wannabie dictators.

Also I'd destroy Africa, it's useless :-Z~

Wait, you'd nuke everything and you think that you would be a better president?? Wow!! You are joking, right? You do realize that you would cause the US to be ostracized by the rest of the world if not drive many nations to declare war or launch their nukes, right? As well that large groups within the US would start trying to wage civil war! I mean, you'd probably be impeached or assassinated or destroy the US in some manner!


*coughshatteredunioncough*



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13 Jan 2007, 10:04 pm

Enough with pointless bush bashing - maybe some specific thing he did might not have been great, but he did get Saddam Hussein out of there, and there hasn't been an attack on the scale of 9/11 (or any attack at all on US soil IIRC) by terrorists since he started the war on terror.



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13 Jan 2007, 11:16 pm

It cost far too much to get Saddam out of there. It wasn't worth it.



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14 Jan 2007, 12:11 am

Flagg wrote:
*coughshatteredunioncough*

If that is to imply that the US will fragment into easily separable lines, I tend to doubt that. The only groups that would support genocide would be out and out far-right rednecks, KKK members and neo-Nazis. The average American ends up being centrist and America ends up being purple. Perhaps I shouldn't have said civil war given that I would think the numbers of supporters of these acts in the US wouldn't be enough to constitute another effective side.



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14 Jan 2007, 3:26 am

Instead, what we have are citizens who are disillusioned to the point that they are compromised without even knowing it. Our will is shot. A war spends more than physical resources.



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14 Jan 2007, 2:20 pm

The Savage War of Peace is an excellent book. I read it, and would recommend it. Bush has been known to read very high end stuff (I don't remember all of it but he I do remember reading he had read The Unknown Mao by Jung Chang and Jon Holliday).

Bill Clinton was very intelligent as well. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean the person you disagree with is stupid.

Civil liberties were much more "compromised" during World War II, and certainly World War I. Blatant abuses of power took place in the Nixon, (Lyndon) Johnson, and Kennedy administrations. Then again at the time no one seemed to take much notice of it compared to today.

The criticisms regarding Bush's domestic power grabs tend to be about things like this:

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The Pentagon has been using a little-known power to obtain banking and credit records of hundreds of Americans and others suspected of terrorism or espionage inside the United States, part of an aggressive expansion by the military into domestic intelligence gathering.


(link to New York Times article)

Of course, what this is talking about like the Patriot Act is completely legal programs that have been used in the past. In addition it is not unusual in war-time for the U.S. government to use the powers available to it. During the Second World War it certainly did (and some extra-legal programs) to round up hundreds of German spies operating in the United States. Similarly today, it is not suprising the the administration would use methods available to fight terrorism within the United States.

George W. Bush will be out of power in two years. Another President, Republican or Democrat (my money would bet Democrat, although that could change based on events) will be sworn in.