CO2 reach 400 ppm!

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Maybe the climate where you are has not changed that much, combined with a very regional view of crop production too.

Try to say that to a inuit.


It's not sheer imagination... The warmer temperature bring effects that contribute to warm it more. It's a feedback effect. Never heard of the methane bomb?

I'm fully aware of feedback. But the reality is that in Global Warming, we would see a new equilibrium established at a higher average temperature. There will be no runaway greenhouse effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pliocene_climate
More or less the same continental shapes, but a equilibrium at 400 ppm. Sea level was 25 meters higher than today, at temperatures we likelly reach during this century.

There's that panic again.

The range over recent periods, + - 5 Degrees.

That is world wide, and the tropics do not change. Most of the change is toward the poles, and the 107 in Nashville last year is more than ten degrees warmer than normal, Nashville was hotter than New Orleans.

The number of days over a hundred has increased through the mid section of the country.

So far, the whole of industrial is said to be 1.8 degrees, over a hundred and fifty years. That is world wide again, the arctic has warmed more, where the permafrost is melting and releasing Methane.

It will not be a new stability, a few degrees higher over a hundred years, it will happen quickly, and fuel dynamic weather.

Our hundred degree band near matches the drought, and warmer air will take up more water from the soil, and when cool weather returns, rains that come as floods, or later as deep snow.

Energy in will come out somewhere, Ten inches of rain in a day does happen, convert that to snow, it is ten foot. Blanketed across the north, it would bring most things to a stop.

A warmer world with more water vapor will still have winter, and slight cooling the vapor holding declines, and water falls in one form or another.

A more dynamic system, stronger storms driven by heat, and baseball sized hail, deep snow, ice storms, as the winter cools the air.

Our cities are not designed for that much drainage, nor are the roofs designed to hold ten foot of snow.

Lately snow comes early and late, shortening the growing season, which is also the drought season.

Drought resistant does not mean waterless, and without the summer rains, nothing will grow.

It is a very narrow band where clouds form and rain falls, or the sun robs moisture from the fields. Heat stresses crops, hundred degree days do not produce growth. Plants wilt and try to stop and preserve moisture, and avoid dying.

I think the trend is toward shorter, warmer, dryer, growing seasons.

Also fields that made a crop year after year failed last year.

It will not be a smooth ride.

From the New York Times, hardly a major anti-Global Warming source, http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/much-ado-about-methane/:

And from http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/leaders-of-arctic-methane-project-clarify-climate-concerns/:

Oh dear, someone is in denial!

Actually panicing would be the rational thing to do. Instead most people bury their heads in the sand and deny deny deny or at least really really hope the deniers are right after all.

Here to hoping. I try I really try.

But I'm not a gullible soul, sadly.

I gave up on being concerned about climate change when I decided there was no way I would have children.

I still find it hard to understand the mentality of deniers with loved ones that will inherit this mess.

I don't deny Global Warming. I'm strongly in favor of Global Warming.

And panic is only rational when the best choice of actions is to "run in circles, screem and shout".

Unintended events kept me from participating further in this thread. Sorry

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That would actually be a much bigger disaster. There's already an overpopulation of humans. Maybe scrambling to find enough to eat might be a good thing in a way. Not much time for much else.

On the other hand, more people may mean more chances to get laid!

Methane will add to it, but the CO2 is man made.

Cutting all the forests, clearing the land, plowing, did a lot to change the climate.

Paving everything, shopping malls, endless new houses for the spawn of hairless ground apes, had a very strong heat island effect.

It is kind of like going on a crime spree, rape and murder while robbing, then blaming it all on there being gas in the car. Oh! If only there had been less gas in the car!

Destruction of CO2 sinks is a larger problem, and the forests that did lead to the 1% of water that is fresh that falls on the land. Heat islands are no ones friend. Plowing every acre as an extractive industry robs the soil of stored moisture, till the dust bowl returns.

We have been mining water deposited during the last ice age. In the southwest it is almost gone. From mid Texas to Arizona was grassland 150 years ago, and it was not industry that turned it to desert.

All of these dumb problems were caused by apes. Ape reduction is the only cure. Since they will never do it on their own, Nature will.

There are many natural sources of CO2 such as volcanos. If it were only man-made, there would have been no CO2 prior to the existence of mankind and this planet would be a ball of ice and snow on which life would have been very unlikely to ever exist.



I wasn't aware that we have cut all the forests and cleared all the land. Of course, in parts of Texas it might appear that way.

That reminds me of a story about when Texas first created the position of State Forester and hired someone for the job.

The wife of the new State Forester was traveling by train to their new home where they would be living. On the train, she was talking to several people and someone asked what her husband does.

She replied, "He's the new Texas State Forester".

One man on the train looks out the window at the prairie and says, "The last thing we need is a State Forester."

He then looks out the window again and says, "Or maybe we need a State Forester really bad."



That doesn't create the climate. The effects are local.



That really doesn't make any sense.



That doesn't make any sense.



Actually, in the winter time, a heat island effect can be everyone's friend.



Have we plowed every acre?

In any event, many farmers today do very little plowing. It's not unusual to plant crops without plowing it at all since the previous harvest. Search for the term "no-till farming".



Many aquifers refresh fairly easily. Others are very slow. Where I live, water is being removed for irrigation substantially faster than the replenishment rate.

Desert? There is certainly desert out there, but to say that it is desert from mid Texas to Arizona is absurd.



I'm often of the opinion that the worst apes are those that live in the big cities.