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28 Jun 2013, 6:08 pm

Guessing from his previous posts, 'Murica.

He's wrong though. Our politicians have spoken of listening to the people and do so every election cycle. However, talking and doing are two different things. Actually listening to the people and doing real change? Not on our lives. They talk of helping the people, but when it comes down to it, all they care about is the highest bidder. Then when they don't do what they promised, they blame the opposite party.



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28 Jun 2013, 10:13 pm

I think the difference is numbers.

If 250, 000 Americans took to the streets on one night, plus many more over the last few weeks and months in all major cities, that's not something your government can ignore for very long. I've never seen that happen in the U.S. while I've been alive. They can't ignore you if you're not speaking up. In this case anything less than mass numbers will be ignored.


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01 Jul 2013, 10:33 pm

I wonder if Brazil is eventually going to turn into something resembling Romania circa 1989. It might happen if the army and the police get pissed off by the government, and they turn on the government too.


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02 Jul 2013, 8:59 pm

greengeek wrote:
I wonder if Brazil is eventually going to turn into something resembling Romania circa 1989. It might happen if the army and the police get pissed off by the government, and they turn on the government too.


Does Brazil have a monster like Cecesque?

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02 Jul 2013, 10:14 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Does Brazil have a monster like Cecesque?

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You mean Ceauşescu. They people might get angry enough to do that though.


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03 Jul 2013, 7:57 pm

How have the protests been going since you first mentioned them? What kinds of actions has the government been taking?
I sometimes fear no matter how widespread the protest are they will still be not enough unless there is some kind of force behind them. Like in Egypt; although there where a lot of protesters it was ultimately the military the ones who made the coup that ousted the president. Not that actual force should be used in Brazil, but perhaps the threat of it? Facts like Ghandi's success at freeing India through peaceful means give some hope, but some of my mistrust remains. The sellsword, after all, had a sword with him.


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03 Jul 2013, 11:27 pm

Well the rise on the public transport fare was cancelled - in some cases there has been a reduction.
PEC 37, a proposal that would have granted immunity to high officials and given more power to the police, was overturned.
Destination of petroleum royalties to Education (75%) and Health (25%)
Criminalization of all forms of Corruption and Embezzlement as heinous crimes (where previously they were only misendeavours)
The end of Secret vote in Congress for forfeiture of office
The end of all Taxes in the Public Transport (Metro, Train, Bus and Ship)
National Pact to improve Education, Health, Public Transport
National Pact to Fiscal responsibility and control of Inflation
Implementation of federal Plebiscite to Politic reform in the country
Revocation of (Bill - PDL 234) "Gay Cure" authorizing psychologists to treat LGBTs

Currently they are still trying to get through the following which is still pending among others:
Destination of 10% of the Brazilian GDP to Education

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Brazil’s president, Dilma Rousseff, offered a package of reforms to appease protesters. The five points of the proposed “national pact” were: turn corruption from a misdemeanor to a felony; form a constituent assembly to consider political reform; invest R$50 billion (about $23 billion) in city transport; more spending on education and health; and, emphasizing the importance of fiscal responsibility. These five points were mostly welcome by society but were definitively not enough to silence people.


There have been millions on the streets in a single night so I'm not sure if there's going to be an end to it soon. They are certainly getting things done, having an effect on politics and on congress. Dilma's approval rating has dropped 27%, due to her previous stance of "Brazilians have never had it this good" and for originally referring to them as "just vandalists and looters" when it first started. A lot of people haven't forgotten or forgiven that yet. Even the favelas have been up in arms and marching and protesting, inside them and outside them (apparently 2,500 favelados protested outside a governor's mansion not far away from their favela)- even BOPE (the specific highly trained police force they use just to keep the favela in hand) have been stood down in some instances to ensure that it does not give the residents another reason to claim police violence.


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