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01 Aug 2013, 11:53 am

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Aaaand the usual Aspie lynch mob™ has arrived...

So much for that whole detached and logical stereotype.

Bad parents should be lynched. It's just logical.



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01 Aug 2013, 1:26 pm

Parents who kill their own children are among the worst kind of scumbags.


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01 Aug 2013, 8:15 pm

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I didn't read that anything that confirmed if the boy was autistic or not. It merely said that the parents used that as an excuse for his behavior, and I don't think I would trust people like that. I did read somewhere that severe trauma in children can cause them to seem autistic.


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"On February 10 - three weeks before Daniel’s death - he was seen by Chakraborthy (specialist consultant) after a referral made by the school nurse.
Chakraborthy was told that Daniel, who did not speak to any adult during the appointment, had an insatiable appetite and was aggressive towards anyone who denied him food.
In his evidence to the murder trial, Chakraborthy said he had no reason to suspect Luczak was lying and had considered a hypermetabolic disorder, as well as an autistic spectrum disorder, as the cause of the boy’s problems."



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02 Aug 2013, 1:56 am

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Bad parents should be lynched. It's just logical.


Are you quite sure you understand the meaning of the word "logical"?


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02 Aug 2013, 2:01 am

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It's a really nasty case to say the least, most people will have a strong emotional reaction to it.


I'd have said that too, except that over time I've noticed that it's the same group of people proposing torture, or in the past, rape, as an appropriate punishment for people accused of crimes they personally find heinous, and I find that somewhat disturbing.


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02 Aug 2013, 7:00 am

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BenderRodriguez wrote:
It's a really nasty case to say the least, most people will have a strong emotional reaction to it.


I'd have said that too, except that over time I've noticed that it's the same group of people proposing torture, or in the past, rape, as an appropriate punishment for people accused of crimes they personally find heinous, and I find that somewhat disturbing.


Strange you are more obsessed over the understandable reactions of your fellow WP forum contributors and not outraged by the torture and murder of this boy, I find that somewhat (more) disturbing.



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02 Aug 2013, 7:56 am

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Dox47 wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
It's a really nasty case to say the least, most people will have a strong emotional reaction to it.


I'd have said that too, except that over time I've noticed that it's the same group of people proposing torture, or in the past, rape, as an appropriate punishment for people accused of crimes they personally find heinous, and I find that somewhat disturbing.


Strange you are more obsessed over the understandable reactions of your fellow WP forum contributors and not outraged by the torture and murder of this boy, I find that somewhat (more) disturbing.


I don't know those involved, but I don't see it. I too censored my emotional reaction to this case. While the emotional part in me screams for the chainsaw to the balls, the rational says otherwise. I do hope the pair won't ever be permitted to "care" for other children though, and I'm even more revolted by the fail of the school and social workers to prevent the tragedy and their criminal negligence doesn't seem to have been addressed in the article except for a few excuses and justifications.

To Dox47: Maybe so, but as long as they don't actively support changing the laws in their country to allow rape and lynching, it's still just talk.

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02 Aug 2013, 8:09 am

Dox47 wrote:
BenderRodriguez wrote:
It's a really nasty case to say the least, most people will have a strong emotional reaction to it.


I'd have said that too, except that over time I've noticed that it's the same group of people proposing torture, or in the past, rape, as an appropriate punishment for people accused of crimes they personally find heinous, and I find that somewhat disturbing.


And taking onto account how widely spread such reactions are, have you seen any of Michael Haneke's films? He's very efficient in punishing the audience for the double standard of condoning torture and violence only for the bad guys.


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02 Aug 2013, 8:14 am

Parents who abuse their children are amongst the most manipulative in society. It's time the authorities did more to spot this.


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02 Aug 2013, 12:37 pm

cyberdad wrote:
mikassyna wrote:
I didn't read that anything that confirmed if the boy was autistic or not. It merely said that the parents used that as an excuse for his behavior, and I don't think I would trust people like that. I did read somewhere that severe trauma in children can cause them to seem autistic.


Extract from the article

"On February 10 - three weeks before Daniel’s death - he was seen by Chakraborthy (specialist consultant) after a referral made by the school nurse.
Chakraborthy was told that Daniel, who did not speak to any adult during the appointment, had an insatiable appetite and was aggressive towards anyone who denied him food.
In his evidence to the murder trial, Chakraborthy said he had no reason to suspect Luczak was lying and had considered a hypermetabolic disorder, as well as an autistic spectrum disorder, as the cause of the boy’s problems."


I misread this part of the article. However, I still maintain that if the specialist was diagnosing heavily on the account of the abusers' narrative ("he had no reason to suspect Luczak was lying") versus the victim's account ("Daniel, who did not speak to any adult during the appointment"), and this could have skewed the diagnostic process. In cases where no abuse is suspected (in severe non-verbal autism cases) I think this is fine to diagnose autism, but in the case of extreme abuse I think it is sketchy to rely heavily on the "blame the victim" mentality of the abusers.



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02 Aug 2013, 1:36 pm

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Strange you are more obsessed over the understandable reactions of your fellow WP forum contributors and not outraged by the torture and murder of this boy, I find that somewhat (more) disturbing.


You think it's "reasonable" to want to mutilate people with power tools? You've also got a funny definition of the word "obsessed", still playing fast and loose with the English language I see.


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02 Aug 2013, 1:54 pm

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To Dox47: Maybe so, but as long as they don't actively support changing the laws in their country to allow rape and lynching, it's still just talk.


Maybe so, but it still needs to be condemned so that it doesn't become more than talk.

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And taking onto account how widely spread such reactions are, have you seen any of Michael Haneke's films? He's very efficient in punishing the audience for the double standard of condoning torture and violence only for the bad guys.


I'm not familiar with him, but that sounds kinda like what I'm doing now, pointing out exactly what people are actually calling for in a way designed to make them uncomfortable with their own behavior.


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02 Aug 2013, 1:55 pm

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Parents who abuse their children are amongst the most manipulative in society. It's time the authorities did more to spot this.


The school may not have wanted to intervene because of the 'R'-word accusation.



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02 Aug 2013, 2:04 pm

@#$% This is just wrong, tragic and sad.


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02 Aug 2013, 2:07 pm

Tequila wrote:
babybird wrote:
Parents who abuse their children are amongst the most manipulative in society. It's time the authorities did more to spot this.


The school may not have wanted to intervene because of the 'R'-word accusation.


That would be a very poor excuse. And these people are white, how could taking action be seen as racist?

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BenderRodriguez wrote:
And taking onto account how widely spread such reactions are, have you seen any of Michael Haneke's films? He's very efficient in punishing the audience for the double standard of condoning torture and violence only for the bad guys.


I'm not familiar with him, but that sounds kinda like what I'm doing now, pointing out exactly what people are actually calling for in a way designed to make them uncomfortable with their own behavior.


Funny Games is the one that drives the point home most strongly (I would go for the original version) and if you're interested in Socio-Politics you might appreciate The White Ribbon, an interesting parable for Germany's moral (and not only) disintegration which lead to the war. I suspect you might also like the lack of emotional manipulation in his work.


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02 Aug 2013, 8:52 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
Strange you are more obsessed over the understandable reactions of your fellow WP forum contributors and not outraged by the torture and murder of this boy, I find that somewhat (more) disturbing.


You think it's "reasonable" to want to mutilate people with power tools? You've also got a funny definition of the word "obsessed", still playing fast and loose with the English language I see.

No I don't think it's reasonable to be violent. I do understand the emotion of parents against those who harm children. I'm guessing you don't have kids do you.