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07 Nov 2013, 4:01 am

Are people really so afraid of narcotics that they want to give police the right to assrape you on suspicion? If I would get a guarantee not to get assraped by police the other civvies can carry whatever they want in their cavities.... care-factor 0.
When you think about it this is extremely similar to actual rape: person says NO, someone else ignores him and sticks his fist in their behind.

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07 Nov 2013, 4:04 am

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The sad reality is this... the guy will probably get nothing. I know nothing about the law down there. My understanding of the border services in Canada is that if a Customs or Border services officer suspects you of smuggling drugs into the country (concealed in your car), they have the right to take apart your vehicle for a search. If they find nothing, you may not even get the car repaired at the expense of the government, and no insurance company covers "car seized by Customs" in your insurance policy.

I do think the hospital bills shouldn't be billed to the victim here. That just seems like adding insult to injury here.

He didn't get stopped by customs.

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07 Nov 2013, 4:12 am

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Let me start by saying that I don't think there is really any reason for authorities to go to such extreme lengths to do cavity search, what they did was cruel and unusual punishment. Not only should all involved be sued to the ends of the earth in civil court, but they should also have aggravated rape charges brought against them in criminal court.

That being said.
I have the sneaking suspicion that all the facts of this situation have not been reported. Clenched butt cheeks isn't enough.
It started as a simple traffic stop. Most of the time, people are not ordered to exit the vehicle in that situation.

It's not all that unusual to exit the vehicle. Of the times I've been stopped, I stayed in the vehicle only twice.

Some do it unexpectedly. A few years ago, my second to the oldest brother (now deceased) was stopped by the local police. He did something that is not unusual around here, when he stopped he got out and walked back toward the police car to see why he was stopped.

The police officer was fresh out of training and didn't expect that. He immediately jumped out of his car, forgetting to put it in park first. Sure enough, his car proceeded to run into my brother's pickup. The pickup wasn't harmed but it did mess up one of headlights on the car.

He got kidded pretty good about that from the other police officers here. My brother resembled Santa Claus in many ways and so the chief referred to it as "running into Santa's sleigh".

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07 Nov 2013, 10:38 am

It gets even worse:

http://rt.com/usa/new-mexico-police-rec ... ction-328/

In traditional America, government and police served the citizens, and citizens had rights. In the emerging post-American nation, the citizens serve the government and police, and citizens have no rights that government is bound to respect.

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07 Nov 2013, 11:00 am

CNN is reporting it now:

CNN

The war on drugs has gotten out of control. What is worse . . . that some people get high, or that everyone gives up fundamental rights?

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07 Nov 2013, 11:08 am

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CNN is reporting it now:

CNN

The war on drugs has gotten out of control. What is worse . . . that some people get high, or that everyone gives up fundamental rights?

Ann, I partially agree with you. Police officiousness is being justified by the war on drugs. But even if all drugs were made legal tomorrow, I think police officiousness would then be justified by the war on terror. And even if terrorism could be definitively stopped, my guess is that the federal government would create their own Reichstag fire to justify police oppression.

The only thing that will stop the incipient police state is when citizens stand up and demand better.

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07 Nov 2013, 11:28 am

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I don't believe there was ever a real golden age of police protection, where citizens could thoroughly trust the cops. While there have always been good law officers, there have also been very bad ones who have put their own selfish political and/or material agendas ahead of serving the people. And let's face it, there have always been segments of society who have never been given proper respect or service by law enforcement.

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07 Nov 2013, 11:50 am

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Bill, are you saying that all police are equally good? Were the Cheka, NKVD, or Gestapo really equal to, say, the police forces of the US or western Europe in the 20C? How about if the aforementioned organizations had some good officers in them, which they almost certainly did?

The problem is human nature, which wants as much power over others as possible. And government is the primary vehicle for oppressing others. This is why government needs to be kept small, and on a tight leash.

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07 Nov 2013, 12:15 pm

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You really need to reread my post, because I never said a thing about all police being equally good. What I said in a nutshell was, the golden age of the police serving the people is a myth.

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07 Nov 2013, 12:34 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

You really need to reread my post, because I never said a thing about all police being equally good. What I said in a nutshell was, the golden age of the police serving the people is a myth.

Actually, I read your post. Though I disagree with you, I will always accord you the dignity of hearing you out. What I was getting at is what point are you trying to make by pointing out that policing has always led to some abuses? The only conclusion I could infer is one of moral equivalency. If I'm wrong, please explain.

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07 Nov 2013, 1:26 pm

To my mind, the more important issue is how the various parties respond.

People will make mistakes. Peace officers will sometimes exceed their authority. This is not desirable, but all systems are flawed.

What is essential, in my view, is that the Rule of Law be seen to be active here. That responsible parties are held accountable for those parts of their actions that exceeded their authorities, or were improperly carried out.

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07 Nov 2013, 2:04 pm

Thelibrarian wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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You really need to reread my post, because I never said a thing about all police being equally good. What I said in a nutshell was, the golden age of the police serving the people is a myth.

Oh, no, I said there have always been good cops, but the notion that there had ever been a time when all police had always looked out for the public's welfare is a myth.

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07 Nov 2013, 2:47 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Thelibrarian wrote:

You really need to reread my post, because I never said a thing about all police being equally good. What I said in a nutshell was, the golden age of the police serving the people is a myth.

Oh, no, I said there have always been good cops, but the notion that there had ever been a time when all police had always looked out for the public's welfare is a myth.

Of course I don't disagree. But it is also hardly the case that all police forces have been equally humane or decent.

The fact of the matter is that police are only supposed to enforce the laws, not make them. Police don't create the police state; the people the police work for do. And a police state is the result any time the police are working for the state rather than its citizens, which is where we are headed.

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07 Nov 2013, 2:55 pm

Just another day in modern America......

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07 Nov 2013, 3:12 pm

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the bastards have already won. he won't get a penny and in fact will be likely bankrupted and hounded from his home, that is par for the course in America nowadays. the bastards have won and we sheeple let it happen.

the saving grace I read before was
A:he did not give consent and stated that before every procedure
B:they took him out of the county that the warrant was for
then from the link way above (it gets worse post)
Further investigation by KOB has revealed that Leo the K-9’s drug dog certification expired back in 2011 and was never renewed. Certification for drug dogs must be renewed on a yearly basis.

“We have done public records requests to try and find anything,” Shannon Kennedy, Eckert’s attorney, told KOB. “We can’t show that this dog had ever been trained, and we have evidence this dog has had false alerts in the past.”
someone else has already come forward and said it happened to them as well......can you say class action suit(that will screw the first guy from a single large settlement)?

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07 Nov 2013, 3:43 pm

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In other words: I have faith that such a self-evident affront to social standards will be addressed by the US legal system,, fairly and squarely, and will therefore ultimately be resolved (barring some major malign influence upon the relevant legal specialists and/or process) in favour of the wronged party.

Unfortunately, some pretty disturbing legislation was passed in the emotional times after 9/11/01. Law enforcement can pretty much get away with anything they want as long as they use the right words in the police report. "Suspicion" is now a justifiable reason for law enforcement to "detain" you without reading you your rights, giving you a phone call, or even tell you you are suspected of. I have been detained before. Once in a police station for 6 hours after a traffic stop where the officer thought I was behaving suspiciously and my truck got shredded while they looked for drugs; and once, at the airport, I got to go to a back room and put on a strip show (complete with spread cheeks) in front of way too many people for "suspicious behavior."

It is this same legislation that allows the NSA to do pretty much whatever they want to without legal recrimination.

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