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19 Jan 2014, 5:38 pm

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Renting a carpet shampoo machine is not a right, but voting is. Huge difference.


Owning a gun is also a right. By applying your logic I should not have to produce any ID in order to purchase a firearm, is that what the you are suggesting?



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19 Jan 2014, 5:42 pm

MoonGateClimber wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Renting a carpet shampoo machine is not a right, but voting is. Huge difference.


Owning a gun is also a right. By applying your logic I should not have to produce any ID in order to purchase a firearm, is that what the you are suggesting?


Apples and oranges - irresponsible, mentally ill, or evil people don't use the vote to shoot someone dead.


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19 Jan 2014, 6:08 pm

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Apples and oranges - irresponsible, mentally ill, or evil people don't use the vote to shoot someone dead.


I am amazed that these things be determined by a photo ID. Your argument is inconsistent. If you are going to claim that obtaining ID's disenfranchise the poor then it must apply to all rights, or are some rights more equal than others?



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19 Jan 2014, 7:21 pm

MoonGateClimber wrote:
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Apples and oranges - irresponsible, mentally ill, or evil people don't use the vote to shoot someone dead.


I am amazed that these things be determined by a photo ID. Your argument is inconsistent. If you are going to claim that obtaining ID's disenfranchise the poor then it must apply to all rights, or are some rights more equal than others?


Not everyone wants to own a gun - and some definitely should not - but voting is a right that all Americans eighteen and over are guaranteed. And that being the case, people should not be penalized by what amounts to a poll tax to exercise a universal right which our form of government depends on.


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19 Jan 2014, 7:35 pm

You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


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19 Jan 2014, 7:38 pm

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You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


When in modern times have the voting rights of Republicans been threatened? The only time I know of that happening is back in Pre-Civil Rights days, when most southern blacks were Republicans, and their right to vote was denied.


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19 Jan 2014, 7:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


When in modern times have the voting rights of Republicans been threatened? The only time I know of that happening is back in Pre-Civil Rights days, when most southern blacks were Republicans, and their right to vote was denied.


So you admit that you believe only democrat's voting rights matter. :roll:


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19 Jan 2014, 9:35 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


When in modern times have the voting rights of Republicans been threatened? The only time I know of that happening is back in Pre-Civil Rights days, when most southern blacks were Republicans, and their right to vote was denied.


So you admit that you believe only democrat's voting rights matter. :roll:


How the hell did you get that from my post?


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19 Jan 2014, 10:45 pm

Isn't there any bureaucratic entity in the US that maintains a register of all adult citizens within a certain area? City councils, tax authorities, whatever? Have them print voter election cards in postcard format, perhaps watermarked for minimal forgery protection, and mail them to all people who are eligible to vote. At the ballot box, the card is torn apart to prevent double voting. Seems simple enough to me.



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19 Jan 2014, 10:51 pm

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Isn't there any bureaucratic entity in the US that maintains a register of all adult citizens within a certain area? City councils, tax authorities, whatever? Have them print voter election cards in postcard format, perhaps watermarked for minimal forgery protection, and mail them to all people who are eligible to vote. At the ballot box, the card is torn apart to prevent double voting. Seems simple enough to me.


I do indeed have a voter's registration card, as do all other voters here in Washington state.


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19 Jan 2014, 10:58 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


When in modern times have the voting rights of Republicans been threatened? The only time I know of that happening is back in Pre-Civil Rights days, when most southern blacks were Republicans, and their right to vote was denied.


So you admit that you believe only democrat's voting rights matter. :roll:


How the hell did you get that from my post?


Your whole voter suppression obsession is only because you think it is a secret right wing campaign against democrats. Would you feel the same if it were the other way around? Probably not; it would just be written off as the republicans getting theirs...


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19 Jan 2014, 11:02 pm

MoonGateClimber wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Renting a carpet shampoo machine is not a right, but voting is. Huge difference.


Owning a gun is also a right. By applying your logic I should not have to produce any ID in order to purchase a firearm, is that what the you are suggesting?


Establishing one's identity is the only practical way of making sure a ringer has not been brought in.

In most states a person must identify himself to purchase a fire arm. Why. One, to see that the person is not a convicted felon who are not allowed to own or purchase fire arms and Two, to associate a particular person with a particular weapon. If that weapon is used in a crime the registered owner has some 'spainin to do.

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19 Jan 2014, 11:10 pm

Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


When in modern times have the voting rights of Republicans been threatened? The only time I know of that happening is back in Pre-Civil Rights days, when most southern blacks were Republicans, and their right to vote was denied.


So you admit that you believe only democrat's voting rights matter. :roll:


How the hell did you get that from my post?


Your whole voter suppression obsession is only because you think it is a secret right wing campaign against democrats. Would you feel the same if it were the other way around? Probably not; it would just be written off as the republicans getting theirs...


And how do you know what goes through my mind? You know, people who think they can tell what other people are thinking are generally thought to be schizophrenic.


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19 Jan 2014, 11:51 pm

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In most states a person must identify himself to purchase a fire arm. Why. One, to see that the person is not a convicted felon who are not allowed to own or purchase fire arms and Two, to associate a particular person with a particular weapon. If that weapon is used in a crime the registered owner has some 'spainin to do. ruveyn


1. Legally, the ATF form 4473 is not a registration form and is only kept on file by the dealer.
2. If the gun is sold or given as a gift (both legal) by the person who purchased it from the dealer, then that traceability is lost.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


When in modern times have the voting rights of Republicans been threatened? The only time I know of that happening is back in Pre-Civil Rights days, when most southern blacks were Republicans, and their right to vote was denied.


So you admit that you believe only democrat's voting rights matter. :roll:


How the hell did you get that from my post?


Your whole voter suppression obsession is only because you think it is a secret right wing campaign against democrats. Would you feel the same if it were the other way around? Probably not; it would just be written off as the republicans getting theirs...


And how do you know what goes through my mind? You know, people who think they can tell what other people are thinking are generally thought to be schizophrenic.

My memory is not that short. We've been round and round on the "voter suppression" topic and that, I believe, was AFTER Obama won in 2012. Kinda hard to build a case for "voter suppression" when your man won....


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19 Jan 2014, 11:58 pm

Raptor wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
In most states a person must identify himself to purchase a fire arm. Why. One, to see that the person is not a convicted felon who are not allowed to own or purchase fire arms and Two, to associate a particular person with a particular weapon. If that weapon is used in a crime the registered owner has some 'spainin to do. ruveyn


1. Legally, the ATF form 4473 is not a registration form and is only kept on file by the dealer.
2. If the gun is sold or given as a gift (both legal) by the person who purchased it from the dealer, then that traceability is lost.

Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
You can rest assured that the left is only interested in voter rights when it comes to democrats.

And I agree with MoonGateClimber. If no voter ID is required to vote then I shouldn't have to produce one to buy a firearm.
Rights are rights.


When in modern times have the voting rights of Republicans been threatened? The only time I know of that happening is back in Pre-Civil Rights days, when most southern blacks were Republicans, and their right to vote was denied.


So you admit that you believe only democrat's voting rights matter. :roll:


How the hell did you get that from my post?


Your whole voter suppression obsession is only because you think it is a secret right wing campaign against democrats. Would you feel the same if it were the other way around? Probably not; it would just be written off as the republicans getting theirs...


And how do you know what goes through my mind? You know, people who think they can tell what other people are thinking are generally thought to be schizophrenic.

My memory is not that short. We've been round and round on the "voter suppression" topic and that, I believe, was AFTER Obama won in 2012. Kinda hard to build a case for "voter suppression" when your man won....


But the right certainly tried every trick in the book to make him a one term president - including this voter ID scheme.


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If the right is as evil and all powerful as you'd like us to believe then the name Obama never would have been nationally known.


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